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Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by Davyboy, Apr 17, 2010.
First time I have ever seen this on a 1911 anyone any idea what could cause this ???
Whats that ???????///////
Let me google that for you
Sort of understand now
What were the circumstances when this happened? What type gun?
Not sure, guy posted it on a british forum and got kicked just after, to be honest he was a bit of a d***head. Just thought you guys might have an idea.
Surprised me as I always thought the 1911s in general are among the most reliable guns ever made.
It's a Randall Raider, a Commander size 1911. It was named for General Randall's unit which had been known as Randall's Raiders.
Here for history:
The History of the Randall Firearms Company
Randall pistols were manufactured from only June 7, 1983 to May 15, 1985 and made the very first production pistol of its kind in stainless steel.
My guess is that this first use of SS had something to do with this failure.
You're having difficulty separating manufacturing/material flaws from design flaws. Many, many companies produce 1911's, with varying degrees of faith to the Prophet John's original designs. Some use sub-par materials, which was likely the case here.
Thanks Cane now I understand the full picture.
Hydrogen embrittlement? Difficult to analyse from one photo.
These pic's remind me of the time I was playing golf and the head of my 6 iron flew off the shaft when I hit the ball. I stood there for a moment trying to figure out what happened, I knew something was wrong but I just couldn't figure it out for about 5-6 seconds.
Could have been a stress crack there and maby was dropped at one point causing the crack to give way? Just a thought
Pistola in da Stress
Only the metalurgist knows for sure. A hair line frac doesn't seem likely looking at the photo. Bad casting and heat treat is more likely. Material very Brittle to seperate the way it did. The cop should have used his billy on the suspects head instead of his pistol. Wills in da Swamp in La. One Shot One Kill...........
More than likely there was more than one thing that contributed the the problem. Problems with the steel, bad casting, a recoil spring that needed replaced, pistol whipping some socialist trying to get the idea in his head that he is not thinking right
There is Stainless Steel, and there is Stainless Steel. A LOT of different alloys. S&W went through some issues with the Mdl 65 IIRC. Hard does not always equal tough. I can take carbon steel and make it so hard that a file has a hard time scratching it, but a sharp blow from a hammer will make it shatter like glass.
Holy SH*T! I have never seen anything like that before. Maybe try shooting it a few more times and see if that fixes the problem.
No seriously sorry to see that happened.
I was just throwing that out as a possibility. My second opinion was a blow from this gentleman's bowler.
Only if we do our part (change springs, cleaning). When was the recoil spring last changed? How does the frame look? How was the ejection of casings? Did casings land fairly close to the right rear, or did they eject to the next county? I wonder if "metal fatique" came about because of a weak recoil spring.
wow never saw anything like it