Bushmaster VS Colt

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by BWGRP, Apr 1, 2011.

  1. BWGRP

    BWGRP New Member

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    Hey I am not trying to start WW III here. I did however purchase a BM and everything I read is Colt Colt Colt. What is the real difference here, seriously. Please educate me, no BS please. Just the facts. What make a Colt so great. Thanks for your time.
     
  2. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Their "Big Pins"!
     

  3. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    What does BM do better than Colt?
     
  4. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    A Bushmaster is a commercial grade AR that should do ok for its average civilian owner. But some people kick in a little more money to get a professional grade weapon that's better suited for hard use. Take a look at what BCM goes through to build a fine AR that is roughly equivalent to Colt.
    BCM Stuff... - M4Carbine.net Forums

    Now go to Bushmaster and try to find their specs. Unfortunately they do cut corners. In fact here's a dealer who corrects some problems that can be dealt with quickly for Bushmasters he sells to LEOs:
    A day in the life of a BM LE Dealer - M4Carbine.net Forums


    ETA:
    And from your other thread it sounds like you're having problems with your Bushmaster.
    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f20/new-bushmaster-issues-40510/
     
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  5. JonM

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    Its cheaper and they function just fines with a wider array of optons. I'm a colt fan but I don't care for their current AR configs. I've got a lot of rock river arms and dpms stuff. I preffer the rra it seems to be a bit higher quality in finish.

    Personally I'm not a fan of staked castle nuts as I like to detail strip the lower every 1-2000 rounds for a deep cleaning and inspection and swapping out stocks quickly. If you care just take a sharpie or nail polish and mark em then a quick glance will tell if they loosened.

    Gas keys don't need to be staked if you do frequent inspections and aren't running a selectfire rifle.

    The blue ejector pad is just fine for any application including full auto if you don't run the gun to failure.

    The buffer is only critical if your again running a select fire rifle. Semi auto it really doesn't matter as even bump firing doesn't cycle fast enough to be an issue.

    The main diff is the colt has a higher quality finish they look a lot better. If you don't mind the higher cost and only care about cosmetics can't beat a colt. My sp1 from colt is a very reliable and pretty rifle. Bbut then my wife's dpms m4 is very reliable but not so pretty.
     
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  6. mjkeat

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    I guess its all in the needs of the end user. What Quentin said fairly much sums it up. Check the specs side by side. You'll quickly notice the difference.

    Theres def a difference b/w the two manufacturers and its way more than cosmetics.

    I'm a fan of rock solid, reliable firearms. I don't want my buffer extension coming loose on me. I shouldn't have to worry about my gas key loosening and causing malfunctions. I don't want to have to carry around a torque wrench in case it does. Why should I have to constantly perform maintenance on my rifles.

    Buffers do come into play on semi auto rifles. I can change around buffers and my ARs will shoot totally different. The right buffer can make a huge difference in the performance of an AR.

    BM does offer a crap ton more options over Colt.
     
  7. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Most of this is moot if you already own an AR, make the upgrades that make sense to you and if it does the job be happy with what you've got. However for anyone buying a new AR it's smart to look at the differences. You just don't need to pay much more for extra attention to detail.

    I don't get enjoyment trashing certain brands but after all the research I've done over the last couple years I also can't recommend certain brands. Actually an intelligent AR build using quality parts beats most factory rifles anyway. But I'm just one individual and have my own perspective and biases. As usual, YMMV.
     
  8. JonM

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    thats it exactly its a matter of whether or not the differences matter enough to you to pay the higher price point. but basic models like bottem end dpms and bushmasters arent junk its just a matter do you really care or not. 999 out of a 1000 peeps wont have any issues with those for years.

    ive got really well built ARs and lower end. they all shoot about the same.
     
  9. mjkeat

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    "Shoot the same" is such a vague statement. It depends on how you're shooting. Some rifles handle certain shooting styles better than others. As you progress up the latter you start to see devision b/w the manufacturers.
     
  10. Durangokid

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    You can own a Colt or you can own a copy of a Colt. If you own a Colt you won't have to write these endless post on why you buy cheaper rifles.:D:D

    DK
     
  11. Dillinger

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    Bullsheeeeeeeeeeeeet! :mad:

    Man I get tired of this argument. Colt was first, that doesn't make them best.

    I would put one of my "bargain bin" AR's in the hands of someone who knows the platform against a shooter who purchased a Colt without any knowledge of how it works ANY DAY OF THE F*CKING WEEK and I guarantee you, I will be victorious more days than not.

    You think having a Colt or "other" name brand on the side of your weapon makes you better than someone who knows the platform??? Can repair it, behind a barricade, with limited tools, during a lull in the fight?

    Can you clear a jam? Can you remove the BCG and wash it with water from his canteen to get you back in the fight? Versus a guy who looks at his rifle and goes "WTF?!?! I spent good money on this" and starts looking for a replacement rifle on the battlefield?!


    These threads are bullsh*t. The name on the side of your weapon DOES NOT indicate your ability to shoot it, your ability as a room clearer / door kicker or overwatch. It doesn't mean you are "better" than anyone else.

    It means you spent more than someone who had to work for the unit. And when push comes to shove, that person who had to build his/her unit is going to have your ass on the battlefield because they know what is and what is not.

    Period.

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  12. mjkeat

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    I agree the weapon doesnt make the man. I also agree a good AR doesnt need to cost an arm and a leg. Look at a $854 BCM. I believe they have one up to just over 52k w/o any real problems. Id pick a BCM over a Colt unless the Colt was an original 60's model. You can also take a BM and inprove its reliability w/ a little attention and some tools.

    I also agree these threads are BS. They always lead to arguements and rarely any sort of conclusion.
     
  13. diggsbakes

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    I have a Bushmaster and a BCM. The Bushmaster (Dissipator) is my most reliable AR in the safe. I've made a couple upgrades, but the gun just shots great. 1/8 HBAR and accurate as you'll ever need.

    The BCM is nicer and shoots amazingly for a 14.5" rifle.

    I don't see why most folks would need any more. . . If you want a Colt stamp on the side of your gun, then go for it. . . But that's all it is, a stamp.
     
  14. Quentin

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    But on a factory rifle that rollmark tells you a lot. Some people settle for Vulcan, Hesse, Blackthorne but most want a better rifle. Some of those go all the way to Colt, BCM, etc. Most though fall somewhere in between, with DPMS and Bushmaster racking up huge sales compared to most brands.

    In that "in between" area you have to pick what works for you and your budget. I think it's smart to consider kicking in an extra hundred or so for something near the top rung but in the end everyone must make their own choice. No doubt there is a price point that gets you to a point of diminishing returns which usually falls in the $750-1150 range. For me it's about $900. (This is for the initial rifle or build, no doubt every AR gets upgrades over time.)

    OP, I know you have Bushmaster and I hope it works out for you. I expect CS will make it right, let us know.
     
  15. IGETEVEN

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    I concur with both statements up there. ^^^ :cool:

    It's what you do with what ya got. The more ya do with what ya got, the better ya get with the maintenance, reliability and performability of your selected AR platform.

    Hell, one of my rifles might as well have ACME stamped on it. Different upper, different lower and Frankenstein parts pieced together from all over. I shoot it no differently, or less accurate than any other of my "brand name" AR platforms.

    YMMV
     
  16. MrMilspecer

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    All I can say is I would like to own a newer Colt AR, if the right deal comes along.
    I have not owned a Colt or Bushy but I consider (in my mind) Colt to be one of the best. Why?
    They are proven to run, more so than any other manufacture.
    How many threads do you read that say Problems w/ my new Colt ?
    How many posts on Colts poor customer service ?
    How about resale value ?
    My $499 Delton M4 kit has worked flawless. Does that make it as good as a Colt. Hell no. Not to me.
    I'm not bashing Bushies here just saying how I feel.
    I have read too many posts on poor customer service and problems with new rifles. I personaly would never consider buying one. IMOP
     
  17. mjkeat

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    ^ Word :) ...
     
  18. diggsbakes

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    OK, maybe on "factory" rifles. I guess I view the AR first in pieces, then as a complete machine. The Bushmaster I own is my only factory rifle. So I don't have much to compare it to, also I haven't been able to shoot in so damn long I don't even remember what it's like . . ..:(
     
  19. Boggy5

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    While I completely agree with you that the name on the side means nothing, I don't agree that these threads are bullsh*t. They are the most interesting ones to read :) The more riled up people get, the more interesting the reading. So from that perspective, keep these threads coming, from an AR perspective; I own a Bushmaster 16 in. that I can get in and out of the truck quickly, has easy manueverability and consistently shoots 2 MOA or less.