Bump Fire Legality

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  1. explodingcannon

    explodingcannon New Member

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    Is bump firing legal? From what I understand they made the ring and string F/A trick illegal but what about just bump firing? What about with the assisting of a rubber band like some do?
     
  2. notdku

    notdku Administrator Staff Member

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    I doubt it's illegal but good luck trying to find a public range that allows it.
     

  3. BLS33

    BLS33 New Member Supporter

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    Bump firing is fun to do once or twice but after that it is a huge waste of ammo.
     
  4. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    Bump Fire Legality?

    Hello Explode/All


    RON L here = SERESURPLUS


    It depends on where Ya are for legality? Here i WV if your at an outdoor range where the crowd is few and not a manned range master deal It's OK! Try it In Calif at a Rage or in many other States and Places and you'll find yourself in hot water? Best to Look, ask and Don't try till your sure? BNot worth losing a Firearm or a legal beef over it, right?

    Remeber, Part of what got the Feds on the Branch Dividians was someone hearing Bump fire that others though was FA fire? I don't want that sort of atention and believe me, neither do you? LOL
     
  5. GUNGIRL

    GUNGIRL New Member

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    Completely legal..unless U live in Cali LOL...naw I dont know about Cali...but yes you can...and it is legal here in Colorado!
     
  6. stlucian

    stlucian New Member

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    Gungirl. In Colorado can you just drive into the Mountains, pick a spot and start shooting or is some Mountain land private land?
     
  7. GUNGIRL

    GUNGIRL New Member

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    I advise you pick a legal spot(shooting range or your own land)...most of our land is goverment owned...besides just getting out and blasting is dangerous.
     
  8. FALPhil

    FALPhil New Member

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    What is the "ring and string" trick?
     
  9. LEO

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  10. LEO

    LEO New Member

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    Bump Shooting

    Bump firing done from the hip with a finger worked into the belt loop
    [ame]http://www.metacafe.com/watch/415001/bump_firing_a_ak47/[/ame]

    Bump Firing with a thick ruber band - Excellent!!
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVfwFP_RwTQ[/ame]


    ATF Definition:
    The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

    I can see bump firing as being a machine gun. You cycle the trigger one time and it keeps shooting to the mag runs dry or you do something to stop the recoil. So even if the "item" is not banned... such as a "rubber band".... it is now a machine gun as far as the definition goes.
     
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2007
  11. deerhuntguy

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    Any way you shoot it, unless there is a mechanical failure, or the disconnecter has been removed, (very illegal) a semi auto only fires, and can only fire, ONCE each time the trigger is pulled. The shoestring, rubber band, Gatling gun crank, etc. may make it fast(er), but the trigger is still being pulled for each and every shot. Therefore, it is by definition, not a machinegun, since it is not a "single function of the trigger."

    Oh yea, and it is a great waste and expense of ammo.
     
  12. BrassMonkey

    BrassMonkey New Member Supporter

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    Bump firing is fun to do every once and a great while if done safely. Some of us can't have real full autos do to location, or not being able to spend $15k -$20k on a real M16, MP5, AK ect. FWIW the ATF declared the shoestring trick illegal (but its pretty hard to enforce that one). I probably have only bumped out 2 or three mags in the last few years and every time I made sure I was on my own property in a ravine surrounded by hills and trees. I would never do it on a open range or anywhere else where the safety of others would be in question.
     
  13. FALPhil

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    Doggone! :eek:

    So if I own a semiauto with a cocking handle and also own a piece of string, does that imply constructive intent?
    :confused:
     
  14. LEO

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    According to the ATF.... Just having the parts can get you in trouble. So be sure to where Velcro closure shoes and do not carry a key ring. :p

    I could not find any ATF ruling on Bump firing...

    IMO.... It is plausible to be charged with MG possession it caught firing it like a full auto by adding any foreign items to it. Semi Auto is meant to be one shot at a time with an "expected" break between shots.

    Bump Firing (using your beltloop) is nothing more than pulling the trigger real fast and this would be hard to convict on.
     
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2007
  15. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Bump firing

    I disagree. The trigger is still being pulled for each shot. The devices like the Hell fire are specifcally LEGAL primarily because they do not work.
     
  16. LEO

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    The trigger is being pulled each time... but by a shoestring device.

    There was no modification made to the gun... except the adding of a foreign item to assist in pulling the trigger.

    The ATF has deemed this a MG. I am confident that the ATF will work on banning any items that you physically add to the gun to cause it to successfully fire faster than can be done manually by man. Such as the rubber band trick. By the way.. that was so cool.

    Bump Firing... when truly done by pulling the trigger alone with no additives... I do not see as ever being illegal. You might get a visit. :p
     
  17. gtcontender

    gtcontender New Member

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    It seems that the way things are being looked at now, is not really the single pull of the trigger, which technically the semi with the string or whatever method is used, because yes the as the bolt slams home it is pulling the string to pull the trigger for the next shot. However it appears with the lawsuits that have been thru now, The folks in the ruling are saying it is NOT a single pull of the trigger they interpet but rather a single MOVEMENT of the finger is what is being the arguement point for making a weapon fire more than one shot per cycle. Just look at the ruling on the Atkins Accelerator suits with the ATF for example. Theres was first ruled as NOT a machinegun but now the ATF has backed up and ruled that it IS considered a machinegun, mainly cause the trigger finger only moves 1 time. At least that was the way I understood it and may be wrong for that.
     
  18. LEO

    LEO New Member

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    The ATF Appears to have changed their mind and now allow it.

    atf.pdf
     
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2007
  19. FALPhil

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    Yeah, well, they pretty much make crap up as they go along. And they use intimidation to get away with it. As an agency, it's not exactly a characteristic of what you would expect in a free country. But then, about 75% of the federal government would fall under the same characterization.
     
  20. deerhuntguy

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    well heck! I think it is great that the ATF has determined that a 14 inch piece of string, with or without loops on the end(s) is not in and of itself a MACHINEGUN!! :D

    :eek: Just think of how many people are walking around with 14 inch boot/shoe laces on their shoes that are no longer subject to arrest for having TWO machineguns in the bank, school or other place they are not allowed to have a "weapon"...
     
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