bullets for the .223

Discussion in 'Hunting Forum' started by lonewolf101, Jul 10, 2011.

  1. lonewolf101

    lonewolf101 New Member

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    I'm going to be putting my order in for reloading supplys and the buletts I was thinking for the .223 are either dogtown 55 gr HP or the 62 gr. barnes TTSX,or the v max I shot remington 55 before and I dont like to buy factory ammo I cant get the results I want I wanna be able to shoot the bulleye out at 100 yards, and I think reloading for the 223 will give me what I want.
     
  2. jjfuller1

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    ive always been partial to 62 gr. but i imagine the lighter bullet would fly a little more level. try a few of each and see which one suits you better
     

  3. IGETEVEN

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  4. lonyaeger

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    Personally, I've had zero luck with Barnes bullets, don't know about Dogtown, but LOVE Hornady V-Max.

    Don't be swayed by the Barnes Varmint Grenade. The concept sounds cool, but they're the least accurate of all the .22 caliber bullets I've tried/loaded.
     
  5. lonewolf101

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    The 223 has a 1/9 twist so I can go up to 60, 65 grains but what I think I have to do is buy different weights and see what give me the TIGHEST GROUP.One guy at the range told me he had better groups with dogtown then v max but every gun different.
     
  6. sniper762

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    WHAT kinda gun/scope,mount ya got? and what size bullseye you wantin to shoot out.
     
  7. lonewolf101

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    I have a savage model 12 with a bull barel and I like to shot dime size holes!
    nikon coyote special 4.5 -14x40 bdc
     
  8. sniper762

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    kudos, thats sub moa
     
  9. GunLink

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    Keep in mind that the ATF has apparently ruled that .223 ammunition is handgun ammunition. This may put a damper on getting heavy-hitting solid projectiles as they could now be classified as "armor piercing" rounds.

    Jay Wolf of Elite Ammuntion says that the Barnes projectiles are still being made and sold despite his similar rounds being taken during the ATF raid on his facility. We haven't heard anything about whether other manufacturers will be affected.
     
  10. Txhillbilly

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    Barnes Bullets are Copper,not a Steel core bullet.The ruling is for armor piercing rounds,not hunting rounds.
     
  11. Txhillbilly

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    Lonewolf,you can shoot up to 69gr bullets with no problem out of a 1-9 twist.And Hornady also makes a 75gr BTHP match bullet for a 1-9 twist,I shoot them all the time out of my Savage 12.
    The 55gr Dogtown bullets will serve you well,as will any of the VMax bullets.
    I like the 60gr VMax over the 55gr,they shoot better out of my guns.
     
  12. Dragonheart

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    I typically get 1/2" to 3/4'" groups using a 55 grain Nosler ballistic tip out of an AR-15.
     
  13. GunLink

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    I don't think steel core was the issue with the ATF/Elite debacle. Elite was making brass bullets, which Barnes also makes (see Barnes Banded Solids). These are hunting rounds that are made of brass, not "armor piercing rounds". From what I gather, I believe this is exactly what Elite Ammunition was doing with .223, 6.8 and 6.5 rounds.

    AFAIK, brass projectiles are fine for rifles and none of them were "armor piercing rounds" until the ATF decided that rounds in those calibers were handgun ammunition on one day and raided Elite's facility the next day. Jay Wolf claims that his customers who bought those brass rounds should not be surprised if the ATF visits them to retrieve unfired rounds.


    You're right that the ruling is for armor piercing rounds and not for hunting rounds. The issue is that the ATF considers some .223 hunting ammunition to be "armor piercing handgun ammunition." It shouldn't be an issue with the TTSX rounds that OP is looking at (so long as Barnes doesn't add anything to the 100% copper recipe) but, as I said, it's just something for the OP and anyone else to keep in mind when looking at lead-free "hunting ammo." I would hate to hear about anyone being put in a bad situation for something so simple as wanting to try out Banded Solids versus TTSX rounds.
     
  14. sniper762

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    just fyi

    any projos sp, hp or fmj propelled at rifle velocities will penetrate armor vests.

    such as single shot pistols in 223, 308, 30-06, etc.

    but they are not considered as the prohibeted "armor piercing" ammo.

    that law pertains to the teflon coated "cop killer" pistol bullets

    black tip gi armor piercing 30-06 do not fit the prohibited ammo category even though they can be fired from some pistols
     
  15. sniper762

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    part of the federal regulation dealing with "armor piercing" ammo

    4) CONSTRUCTION - The bullet must either have a core made ENTIRELY out
    of one or more of the listed metals, or be a full jacketed type bullet
    with a jacket comprising more that 25% of its weight. Thus SS109/M855
    .223 (5.56mm) bullets would not be covered, because their core is only partly
    steel, and partly lead. Lead is not a listed metal, and bullets with
    cores made partly out of lead are OK. ATF has expressly ruled that
    SS109/M855 bullets are not covered.

    the ammo must be DESIGNED FOR PISTOLS not just capable of being fired in a pistol
     
  16. GunLink

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    That is not correct. The thread that I linked to earlier has the exact law quoted directly from the USC, '68GCA and other relevant documents which describe what "armor piercing" means. The document reads "Armor piercing ammunition. Projectiles or projectile cores which may be used in a handgun..." The thread also discusses the fact that the president of Elite Ammunition claims that he was shown a ruling by the ATF declaring .223 ammunition to be pistol ammunition. Granted, Mr. Wolf says they only let him look at it but not have any copies so it's not out there for people to see.

    I think you may be referencing part (ii) of the below quoted code. Unfortunately, we don't get to pick and choose which parts we like. Barnes Banded Solids and those made by Elite are covered by part (i).



    The law pertains to exactly the rounds that are specifically mentioned in the documents in the above mentioned thread. Namely:


    I think you could also be mistaken about this; they could fall into that category but they are specifically exempted:
    They are specifically exempted from the definition precisely because the definition given may be read to describe them.




    Once again, as solid copper projectiles, the TTSX rounds OP is asking about should not be a problem. I'm not trying to be argumentative or hijack/derail this thread, I simply made a comment in passing that perhaps attention should be paid to the legality of certain projectiles, namely the Barnes Banded Solid and other brass or alloy projectiles, in the caliber about which the OP asked about. If you have citations of existing laws that are somehow newer or otherwise supersede those which I've posted or if you see some way that either I, Jay Wolf or the BATFE have misinterpreted them, I would be happy to see them. Otherwise, posting things like that could be dangerous and may land someone in trouble.
     
  17. cpttango30

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    You two ladies need to go get a room. We are not talking about AP ammo. We are talking about bullets.

    If you are wanting accuracy then don't buy the dog town bullets. Everyone I have ever seen that got some said the accuracy of them was POOR at best.

    In my 2 223's I shoot either Sierra or Hornady V-Max bullets. My Remmy 700 VLS shoots .411" 5 shot groups at 100 yards with the 50gr V-Max. My RRA PPR shoots .6" 5 shot 100 yard groups with 60gr V-Max's.

    Here is a 3 shot group out of the RRA.
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    Here is the .411" might have been smaller but it was windy.
    [​IMG]
     
  18. lonewolf101

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    Thanks alot for the info. I was wondering about dogtowns a guy at the range told he thought they were better then the v max but I will try Hornady 62 grain.
     
  19. Silvertip 44

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    lonewolf, shoot quality bullets. My .223 (M700 w 24"tube) likes 55 gr. VMax, 65 gr. Sierra SBT and 69 gr. Matchking. All will shoot 1/4 inch at 100 yds when I'm having a good day.
     
  20. lonewolf101

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    When I put my order in I will try the 55gr v max also the 62 gr I think Hornady make em.