Bullet Weight not Found in Manuals

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by Trez, Jun 27, 2011.

  1. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    Found this trying to get data for my .30-40 using RL-15, Is it true? Could I use info from a 220 gr. bullet on a 180 gr. bullet? Sorry for all the questions but Im new to this and cant find specific data for any of my calibers using RL-15. Ive found data for .30-30, .30-06, .303 British, 8mm Mauser, etc.... But none for .30-40 or 7.7. I have around 4 lbs. of Rl-15 and I dont understand why I have to buy a new powder when its used in so many similar calibers?

    Bullet Weight not Found in Manuals
    Lee:
    If the bullet weight you wish to load is not found in your favorite manual, it is safe to use loads listed for a heavier bullet weight and find a load for the powder you have. Using that load with the lighter bullet simply reduces the pressure, but the velocity remains approximately the same.

    Speer:
    The physics of loading cartridges indicates that a heavier bullet will build pressures faster than a lighter bullet owing to its mass. The greater mass of the heavier bullet resists change (acceleration) more than a lighter mass so the powder charges for the heavier bullet will nearly always be lower than those for the lighter bullet of the same construction. This indicates that, without other data to follow, the heavier bullet data can be used as a starting point for the lighter bullet.
     
  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Yes- data for a 220 gr CAN be used when loading 180. The reverse is NOT true.
     

  3. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The problem can be that the heavier bullet allows complete ignition with a slow burning powder. RL-15 is a fairly slow, but I have seen some data with 180 gr bullets and slower powders (4831 & 760)
     
  4. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    the reason you dont see powders listed in some loads but you do in others for the same caliber is they simply didnt test that combination for whatever reason. so they wont publish untested data for liability reasons.
     
  5. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Trez if you are looking to load powders in cartridges that they are not normally loaded in you need to invest in quickload.

    OK Just because the powder works with the 220gr bullets (Per Hornady Manual). That does not mean it will work with ALL bullets. There are many different powder and many different cartridges out there. RL-15 is a great powder that works well in the 223 and the 308 along with other medium capacity cartridges. The standard 308 load for F-Class shooting in my neck of the woods is 42gr of RL-15 under a 175gr SMK.

    Just because you have a lot of powder doesn't mean you can use it in everything you own. I use a different powder in just about every rifle. My Remmy 700 in 223 loves varget and VV N133 for 50gr loads. My AR loves AA 2015 under 60gr V-Max bullets.

    If there is no load data for a specif bullet cartridge combo then there is a reason. It didn't work. It either produced excessive pressure or not enough. A load that doesn't create enough pressure is just as dangerous as one that creates excessive pressure.

    I want to warn you and tell you to clam down a little and do lots of reading. I am glad you are on here asking questions. For now lets stick to what is listed in the manuals.
     
  6. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    I found what books have the .30-40 data im looking for but I dont have 'em, would someone be so kind and look it up for me?
    Lyman Reloading Manual 49th Edition has listings for a 150 gr. Sierra Jacketed SBT and a 180 gr. Speer Jacketed SP. The Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading 7th & 8th Editions have a 220 gr. Hornady RN with fps ranging from 1,600 to 1,900. All using RL-15.

    Now that I know I can use Rl-15 in my levers.. What powder would be good for me to get next? The next calibers would be the 7.7x58 and 7.62x54. They should use a similar powder, shouldnt they? Everybody seems to have the ones they prefer, Ive been told unique, trail boss, 2400, 4895, etc.. Some of those are pistol powders arnt they??? :confused:

    One of you guys need to do a "What powder is right for me" sticky.........
     
  7. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    I don't know about anyone else but my guns are possessed, and what works for one, the other does not like at all. The old Ruger M77v I had liked BL-C #2 powder with 150ish gr HPBT Bullets, where this Howa I got really loves the RL-15 with 168gr HPBT Match Bullets