Building m4s AR-15s/ home gunsmithing

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing Forum' started by trentinator777, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. trentinator777

    trentinator777 New Member

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    I know a guy who builds AR-15s and m4s I was wondering if I could build one myself and what would be the cheapest, and most effective way to get one
     
  2. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Building one is little more than assembling one. There is no fitting required if using the proper parts. There are a few things that are tricky without the proper tools, though.
     

  3. bige91603

    bige91603 New Member

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    I recently started to do the same thing. A little investing in the proper tools and you're set
     
  4. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    Tread carefully here. If you are talking about assembling them for resale you will need a manufacturers FFL, a business, etc. If you want to build them from scratch you will need a manufacturers FFL, etc (see above). If you want to assemble one for personal use go ahead. If they are true M4s you'll need an SOT stamp with your manufacturers FFL and some other items. I think a little more clarification on your intent would help.
     
  5. bige91603

    bige91603 New Member

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    I build for personal use but if someone offers to buy it I am willing. Would you still need a ffl to do gunsmithing/assembly but personally never owning any of the parts esp.the lower?
     
  6. ArmedCitizen011

    ArmedCitizen011 New Member

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    I am enrolled in gunsmithing school, and in order to repair, build, or modify firearms that are not your personal firearms you must have an ffl.
     
  7. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    On personal builds that someone offers to purchase, no. However you are treading a very fine line, if the ATF catches wind that you are doing it to "attempt to make a livelihood". On gunsmithing, according to the ATF you do. Think of it this way, I'm a customer/friend/whatever and I come to you with all my parts and ask you to put them together for me. While that is considered gunsmithing and requires an A&D book from my understanding. What happens if I'm a dummy and load a hot round and blow up my rifle along with my hand. You know who I'm coming after? The guy who built it. Always CYA=Cover Your A$$
     
  8. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    From the BATF website. There are references you REALLY want to check:

    9. May I lawfully make a firearm for my own personal use, provided it is not being made for resale?
    Firearms may be lawfully made by persons who do not hold a manufacturer’s license under the GCA provided they are not for sale or distribution and the maker is not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as set forth in regulations in 27 C.F.R. 478.39. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF. An application to make a machinegun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for the official use of a Federal, State, or local government agency (18 U.S.C. § 922(o),(r); 26 U.S.C. § 5822; 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.39, 479.62, and 479.105).
     
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  9. trentinator777

    trentinator777 New Member

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    I do not plan on selling anything I make or assemble, but I would like to know how much it's going to cost me.
     
  10. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I've done one. The bill came out to under $600.
    That was with stripped lower, a "complete" kit, sights, and mags.
     
  11. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    Then assemble away and check out the stickies in the AR section.
     
  12. trentinator777

    trentinator777 New Member

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    Do you have any sites that I could get the prices or a kit for cheap?
     
  13. bige91603

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    Midwayusa.com has a few cheap ones, jsesurplus.com is your best bet but palmettostatearmory.com had good deals as well
     
  14. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    mine of course :D Try Joebobs or PSA they usually run specials.
     
  15. trentinator777

    trentinator777 New Member

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    Anyone ever tel-ton.com
     
  16. trentinator777

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  17. trentinator777

    trentinator777 New Member

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    Anyone ever try del-ton.com
     
  18. DuraCoater

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    There are two things to consider when purchasing/building an AR and you are budget minded.

    1. Does it fire when you pull the trigger

    2. Is this rifle for your job, 3-gun matches, or for plinking.

    If it is for a hobby than any brand AR will be fine - you don't need a high dollar LaRue to plink, unless you want to.

    If it is for 3-gun events, generally you are still fine with any brand. But this starts treading into the dollar vs. value argument

    If it is for your job and your life depends on it, simply do your research and read reviews from other people in your field. Buy based on that.

    Also, as silverado113 mentioned, assembling and re-selling is a gray area. And no one wants to be a test case for the ATF.

    On one hand, if I sell one assembled rifle a month - does that constitute "main portion of business"?

    On the other hand, the mere act of taking one already manufactured upper receiver and one already manufactured lower receiver and simply placing them together tags you yourself as a manufacturer per their definition.

    Now how silly is that?

    That is like saying you are a manufacturer of Lego's because you put existing pieces together. Or you manufactured a sandwhich by putting bread and meat together.

    Did you know to refinish rifles like I do (regulated parts) I have to have a FFL? You read that correctly, applying a finish to a regulated part requires a FFL. Luckily for me, my local FFL has me on his payroll as a sub contractor so I can stay legal.

    The whole ATF system is ridiculous. :(
     
  19. purehavoc

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    This ^^^^^^^^^ If you shop around you can do it for pretty cheap we did a friends for $555 shipped . $399 complete DPMS upper , $59 PSA blem lower . $80 PSA complete lower build kit , and we had $17 in shipping total
     
  20. FullautoUSA

    FullautoUSA Welcoming Committee/ Resident Pellet Gunner Lifetime Supporter

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    Yea because you are making money off guns and according to the government you need a FFL, now you don't legally need a FFL if the person is there while you build it, but otherwise it's a no-no. My guess Is that if you just do it for your friends and don't charge them, the police won't care.