building ar-15

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by daltotuck, Jan 1, 2008.

  1. daltotuck

    daltotuck New Member

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    ok i have no clue what to get and where to get i no i want a longer range capable rifle.like i said i dont know where to get the lower, upper, stock ,and scope, and anything else im forgetting or not knowing.also i live by rock river arms so can i get all the gear from there are if all the rock river arms stuff is good and a lil on the cheaper side.oh ya one more thing tryin to kinda get a lil cheaper one prolly bout six hundred to a grand maybe 1,100.so ya i need alot of help.any usefull help well be thanked.
     
  2. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    If you don't know how to go about doing the whole thing, why not just buy a complete rifle? If I'm not mistaken, Rock River will pretty much put together the parts that you ask them to.
     

  3. daltotuck

    daltotuck New Member

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    well i could do that but i think building it would be a fun experience plus cheaper.plus im young so possible carrer.
     
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  4. daltotuck

    daltotuck New Member

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    ok ive been lokking alot and ive found some parts i need confirmation onif there good parts or not
    and price check


    DPMS stripped lower reciever-110$
    http://www.del-ton.com/DPMS_Lower_Receiver_p/lr1000.htm

    semi lower parts kit-57.95$
    http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR-15-Lower-Parts-Kit-p/lpk - semi.htm

    .223 wylde chamber complete varmint a4 16",18",20",or 24"(need help for that) 1:8 twist-580-610$(complete with bolt carrior group and charging handle assembly)
    http://www.rockriverarms.com/item-d...mage=uva407.gif&CFID=6629481&CFTOKEN=99366695

    DPMS AR-15 panthar tactical palm grip-39.95$
    http://www.floridagunworks.com/Merc...e=FG&Product_Code=903&Category_Code=ARA+GRIPS

    ar-15 Standard A2 buttstock assembly black, comes with buffer, tube(is this fully built or it comes with all the parts and i have to assemble it?)-69.99$
    http://www.gunrunner1000.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=32_12&products_id=191

    Bushnell Trophy 3-12x56mm Matte Rifle Scope-179.94$
    http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-trophy-3-12x56mm-infrared-eu-ir-reticle-riflescope-733125e.html

    if im missing anything im a retard and please tell me what im missing or any better parts for cheaper or complaints on any item on haw
     
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  5. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Sounds fine. You might be able to score one a little cheaper, but it's probably not worth the hassle. Bear in mind this part is the rifle in the eyes of the law and this is where you may need an FFL to handle the transfer.

    That will be fine. If you can find an LPK with a two-stage trigger cheap, I'd suggest getting it. But, you can always upgrade the trigger later. (A two-stage is smoother and might make a difference for long-range use.)

    If possible, I'd go with a 5.56 NATO chamber which can accommodate a .223 round.

    Personally, I like the short barrel (16") but you're looking for a long-range tack driver, so a longer barrel would make sense. A 1 in 8 twist is fine. Many are 1 in 9, but it shouldn't be a big deal. Personally, I recommend a chrome-lined barrel.

    Also, the barrels on these uppers are not threaded to take a flash hider or muzzle break. That may not be an issue for you. There are no iron sights on this upper, either.

    The price on this upper seems high. You can get a new Stag upper for close to $500. Look around a little more to see if you can't bring this price down some.

    Yes, it says it comes with buffer, spring and tube. The lower parts kit for your lower should come with the other parts you'll need. The buffer is disassembled 'til you get the stock attached to the lower. The buffer is easy to put together, though.
     
  6. daltotuck

    daltotuck New Member

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    If possible, I'd go with a 5.56 NATO chamber which can accommodate a .223 round.

    Personally, I like the short barrel (16") but you're looking for a long-range tack driver, so a longer barrel would make sense. A 1 in 8 twist is fine. Many are 1 in 9, but it shouldn't be a big deal. Personally, I recommend a chrome-lined barrel.

    Also, the barrels on these uppers are not threaded to take a flash hider or muzzle break. That may not be an issue for you. There are no iron sights on this upper, either.

    The price on this upper seems high. You can get a new Stag upper for close to $500. Look around a little more to see if you can't bring this price down some.

    if i stray away from the two stage trigger will i be able to put it on later?

    well this is a .223 or 5.56 oppistit of what u said but does that make a diffrence

    i think if i pay another 35 or sumin i get the chrome lined i dont plan on a suppresor or MB and i dont want the sites

    u said stags are cheap but do they come with the bolt carrier or charging handle this one comes with it and it might kinda be a hastle to get good one so...still bad deal or not?
     
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  7. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    .223 Wylde would be a good choice, but I'd look for a 5.56x45 NATO first. 6.8 Rem is a good option too. It has the range of a .223 Rem, but it has much better terminal ballistics, though the ammo will be more expensive, so if it's going to be a range gun, stick with .223 Wylde or, better yet, look for one chambered in the higher pressure 5.56x45 NATO and be sure to get the chrome lined barrel.

    Other than that, I don't know a whole lot about ARs, so I'm out of my league answering questions about the quality of your components.
     
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  8. daltotuck

    daltotuck New Member

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    hey thanks for the help man




    makin a new list see if i can cut the price a lil


    Stag Arms AR-15 .223 Stripped Lower-98$
    http://www.gunsamerica.com/97697236...er-Only/Stag_Arms_AR_15_223_Stripped_Lowe.htm


    Complete lower parts kits to finish your AR15 lower receiver-57.95$
    http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR-15-Lower-Parts-Kit-p/lpk - semi.htm

    24" varmint upper half(it has options heres what im thinking correct me if im retarded)chose chamber have no clue which is better,CHOOSE FREE FLOAT & SWIVEL STUD 2 piece free float alumminum tube dont know what this is but its cheaper,ADD PICATINNY FRONT SIGHT none,ADD BIPOD none,CHOOSE BARREL 1:14 twist,ADD CARRY HANDLE & REAR SIGHT none,ADD BOLT CARRIER GROUP & CHARGING HANDLE bolt carrier group std changing handle-500$(i do believe they have other calibers like 6mm and .204 im not sure if its chrome lined if not totally scratch it?)
    http://www.model1sales.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=UV2414&storeid=1&image=uvarm2414.gif

    Butt Stock, A2, New Black-19.95(down bout mid page no pic will it come with all the stuff to hook it up to my rifle or is that why its so cheap.)
    http://www.fulton-armory.com/M6Parts2.htm

    Bushmaster 5 &10 Round Magazines-20.95$(prolly get 2 10 rounds)
    http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_parts_magazines.asp#30452

    3-12x50 Mil-Dot-75$
    http://www.crankyfarmer.com/Illuminated_Scopes.html

    tell me if im missin aNYTHING
     
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  9. jeepcreep927

    jeepcreep927 New Member

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    You may want to check out Model 1 Sales. They have about every configuration, caliber, barrel length you could want. The prices are about the best around as well. Complete varmint upper stainless 16, 20 or 24", "kit" less lower $535, that's EVERYTHING but the lower itself. Bolt, carrier, upper, stock, lower parts kit, etc. I built a CAR using their kit, put it on a Stag lower and am very impressed. I took it to training recently and easily kept up with guys shooting $$$ Colts and $$$ Rock River stuff. This was a police course and the guns got beat pretty hard. My "parts gun" held up great, and accuracy wise, I qualified 3rd out of 20 guys that were all SWAT guys (I am not, just a "regular" cop and shooter). Just my 2 cents.
     
  10. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Yes, you can add a drop-in replacement two-stage trigger any time you like.

    The two rounds are similar but sufficiently different that it is recommended you get a 5.56. Throat length and pressure are the two main differences. If you get a rifle chambered for 5.56, you can use a .223 with no worries. But if you get a rifle chambered for .223, your rifle could be damaged or destroyed using a 5.56 round. It's just something to think about.

    Chrome-lined barrels wear a bit better and some believe accuracy is improved. If you want nothing on the muzzle, that's fine. Same deal with the iron sights -- just thought I'd mention it.

    Yes, the uppers are complete with the bold carrier group. Check the Equipment Exchange on ar15.com and look for uppers. The Stag I got was from Legal Transfers there, but it's a short barrel. I think the cost is around $500 now.
     
  11. Dgunsmith

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    NO Chrome Lined Barrel !

    Stay as far away as possible from Chrome Lined Barrels if you want the best accuracy the barrel is capable of !

    Chrome Lined is for longer life in MACHINEGUN Barrel barrels.

    There is NO WAY to get a uniform coating inside the barrel for dimensional accuracy and concentricity.

    Free Float the barrel in an aluminum free float tube for both ideal performance and cooling. Stay away from accessory rails unless you really intend to use them. They do throw off front end harmonics. Attach sling and/or bipod to free float tube NOT the barrel.

    RRA trigger upgrade it reasonable and makes a great difference....or spend a few dollars more and put in a Jewell 2 stage..THE Best on the market..trigger adjustable in predictable/reliable 1/4 pound incriments.

    Good Luck ! :D
     
  12. daltotuck

    daltotuck New Member

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    hm... THIS PLACE IS SWEET U GUYS ACTUALLY HELP!!!NEAT!
     
  13. daltotuck

    daltotuck New Member

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    this might be a bad question but is there anyway to get a bolt action ar-15 for the same price as a semi if not ill take the gas chamber out and it'll be bout same thing.
     
  14. daltotuck

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  15. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Dgunsmith is correct. Stainless steel is probably the way to go for accurate long-range use. Chrome lined will give the longer life (and it's a little easier to clean).

    Yes!
     
  16. jeepcreep927

    jeepcreep927 New Member

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    Yes. The kit is comletely, uh, complete. All you need is the lower only. All small parts are included. The upper is already assembled (barrel mounted, dust cover, forward assist etc. are all assembled) as is the bolt carrier and bolt. All you need to do is assemble the fire control group, takedown and pivot pins, buffer tube and stock. Since the barrel is already torqued, all you should need for "specialized tools" is a decent set of punches. It comes with a standard mil spec trigger, in both weight and pull. I figure for this price though, you can spring for a Jard or other higher end trigger, and maybe add a little more $$$ in your search for glass. I am planning one in .204 after I recover from Christmas. So theoretically, if you assemble it yourself, you can get out out from under the rifle, without accessories, for about $700 or less. And I agree with part of the above. Avoid the chrome lining for accuracy. Standard chromoly steel does get the better of stainless steel for ABSOLUTE accuracy, but it is a VERY minimal difference. I prefer stainless just because it's easy to maintain. Good luck.
     
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  17. daltotuck

    daltotuck New Member

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    sweet one more question if i get a two staged trigger and a tactical grip(not sure what there called they have the big rubber thing on the bottom) will i be able to put um on there?
     
  18. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    If they're made for the AR platform, there's no good reason why not.
     
  19. illbfrank

    illbfrank New Member

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    Wylde chamber

    I've done a good deal of research on the Wylde chamber. From what I have read, it's actually the best available choice for both the 223 and the 5.56 as it is relieved in the chamber walls to ease extraction, it is capable of the higher pressures of the 5.56 and is actually more accurate in both calibers. The leade (sp?) of the tip of the projectile (bullet) is engaged with the rifling of the Wylde with both calibers so there is no "jump space" before engagement with the rifling. This enhances accuracy and reduces harmonic influences along the length of the barrel. I highly recommend the Wylde chambering with my 2nd choice being the 5.56 NATO. These will safely shoot both calibers, where a .223 chamber will not be as safe using the NATO round.

    Just my 4 cents worth (inflation).