Build 2, shopping for uppers, opinions wanted

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by ZombieKiller83, Feb 17, 2012.

  1. ZombieKiller83

    ZombieKiller83 New Member

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    Got my lower about 90% put together tonight, holding off on the stock/buffer as i'm not sure what gas system i will end up with at this time.

    A little background on this build and what i'm going for is as follows: Looking to go .223 Wylde chamber with a 1:8 twist and i would like to go with a free float rail set-up for maximum real estate up top. Have a BNIB long range scope thats been sitting and i want to put it to good use. I'm focusing on long range accuracy on this rifle (like 2-300 yds). Was originally gonna pick up a bolt gun for the scope but kinda realized i have 0 use/enthusiasm for a bolt gun. Main uses will be plinking at the outdoor range. I know some will say go .308 but i'm just not ready to build a .308 yet :p Also i don't have a vice so i would like it to be a complete upper if possible.

    Anywho it's a Rock River lower so i looked into a RRA upper and found these ones
    http://www.pkfirearms.com/Rock_River_Arms_Custom_Uppers/85/c
    The two i'm looking at are at the very bottom of the page, i'd direct link but their site does not allow me too haha

    And then i found this one at AIM, heard their lowers were decent but no idea on their uppers. This one has a Lothar Walther SS barrel and from what i found in my searches was they were decent and people who own them seem to dig em.
    http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.a...+SS+LW50+.223/5.56+Upper+Receiver&groupid=368

    If anyone has any other recommendations please throw em out here. I'm not in a hurry on this one so looking into all options. BTW Stainless barrel is NOT a requirement, it just so happens the ones i found had em. Thanks for any and all opinions but please keep the bickering out of it;)
     
  2. AgentTikki

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    For you intended ranges, you don't really need a Wylde chamber, a chrome lined barrel will be great for increased longevity and will offer great precision at your intended ranges.

    What kind of magnification do you have on your scope? What brand and model?

    Most people consider 300-499 yards as mid range and consider 500+ yards long range.

    You can, and should build a 500+ yard gun, then learn and practice at 200 yards and work your way up.

    Most 1x8 barrels are gonna be stainless. For a 200-300 yard gun 1x7 or 1x9 is good too. For a 500+ go 1x7 or 1x8.
     
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  3. mjkeat

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    I agree. Build for further or you'll end up doing it again. I liked my 18" WOA barrel but would look at something from them in 1:8. The Loather barrel is nice too. Have one on my LWRC.
     
  4. purehavoc

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    at the 200-300 yard range you really dont need a 18-20"+ barrel , If you intend on going that route a 16-18" barrel is just fine .if you have intentions of a 500 yard gun then I suggest a 1:7-1:8 twist in a 20" as stated above . Looks like you looking at spending around $700+ on a upper by what your currently looking at . Also what kind of glass and power are you using for your distance?
    if your stuck on a longer barrel I would suggest the first link if your wanting a stainless barrel and only have intentions of 300 yards max I will suggest the second link . You can get any of these configurations with differnt handguards at a extra cost so keep in mind you dont ahve to go with the standard handguards. PSA is good quality stuff so dont let that be a burden to your choice and it will leave you some extra cash for ammo or better optics

    http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...pers/psa-20-hammer-forged-cl-mp-a2-upper.html

    http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...s/psa-16-223-wylde-stainless-steel-upper.html
     
  5. ZombieKiller83

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    Not sure if this is the exact one but it's very close to the specs of the scope i have. I got it as a buy a spotting scope get a rifle scope free package. Can upgrade to better glass if need be
    http://www.gandermountain.com/modpe...ope_6_24_x_50_Matte&i=401185&r=view&from=grid

    The outdoor range maxes out at 300 yds so that was the guideline i set. Solid info guys thanks.

    Hmmmmm haha
    http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-...-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-18 ss410 vtrx13.htm

    http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-SPR-Mk-12-Mod-0-Bravo-BLACK-p/bcm-urg-mk12-0 pri black.htm

    Out of stock at the moment but definately has what i want
    http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-SPR-Mk-12-Mod-Bravo4-p/bcm-urg-mk12-4 vis12.htm

    At the moment i'm working with a 900.00 upper budget but can certainly wait and save for a better upper ;)
     
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  6. mjkeat

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    With your budget you have many options. Do your research and take your time.

    Look into the militarys SRR. There's a real good account of it's abilities. They even did a documentary about it.
     
  7. purehavoc

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    Nothing against your free scope so dont take this the wrong way and because you dont have any money in it ,but thats kind of a slap in the face putting that on a $900 -$1200 upper . There is cheap glass , good glass , superb glass which I cannot afford LOL . and then junk . I will let you figure out what you have . If I were in your shoes and having used PSA stuff and knowing the quality you get heres my route if i had $900 to spend , I would sell that scope you have for what ever you can get out of it and use that towards a handguard of your choice, buy a PSA 20" rifle length for $509 since you keep linking to longer barrels and buy the bushnell elite 5-15X40 for $399 or save some more cash and go bigger 6-24X50 elite tactical for $729 and a decent mount for the scope that will put you about $960 with a decent mount and now you have glass that will last you your entire lifetime , If you dont like the scope you can send it back to bushnell for 100% refund including your tax and shipping back to them . Thats just what I would do, its your money do as you will though
     
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  8. AgentTikki

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    I really think $900 is a lot for your upper! That's plenty for good stuff.

    What you really want to do is save for some good glass. Good Glass is Scary expensive.

    If i were in your position, I would probably not even get a precision upper.

    What kind of barrel and upper are you running right now?

    If you have a decent barrel, why not just spend your money on good glass and LOTS AND LOTS match grade ammo.

    I'm pretty sure that your current rig will probably outshoot you at least for a while. Once you skills exceed your gear, I think you'll have a better understanding of what you want and expect from your gear.

    Case in point. I take my 7.5 AR pistol to 200 and 300 yards all the time at the range. I have a aimpoint micro 4 moa dot on it and love hiting 10" steel plates. I know its not precision, but damn my pistol can hit it! With PMC .223 and M193!

    Your 14.5 or 16" will do more than fine at 300 yards. Get proficient, then get your gear to suit your needs and abilities.
     
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  9. ZombieKiller83

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    Oh i know where the scope stands quality wise haha. 80.00 after mail in rebate for a spotters scope and a rifle scope, you really can't expect much out of it haha. My buddy bought the same deal and runs his scope on a 30-06 bolt gun and it's been holding up just fine. But the idea of better glass does sound good and i have some CT 1911 grips i can sell and put towards some nice glass :D
     
  10. ZombieKiller83

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    I gotta say Tikki, your advice is always solid and to the point and i dig that about ya. The current rifle i have is a 16" BCM LW midlength, hammer forged, 1:7 with a red dot set-up. I thought about free floating it but one thing i've learned in my profession is, if it works and works well, don't screw with it haha. That rifle shoots 1 moa groups at 100 yds with a standard milspec trigger so yeah i'm keeping her as is :cool:

    My whole idea with this rifle is to blow my tax return on a solid, free floated ar with a scope for some longer distance shooting fun. My current rifle can no doubt connect at longer ranges (shot it out to 200 yds at a human silhouette target. five shots all hits but the grouping was nothing to brag about not that i really care as a hits a hit IMO ;)). Any who just dont feel like swapping between scopes and constantly having to re-zero so figure what the hell, tax time rifle build.
     
  11. mjkeat

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    You could get a Larue QD mount for the scope and not have to worry about rezeroing each time
     
  12. AgentTikki

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    +1 on MJ. LaRue's are super nice, and really consistent. Expensive but worth it.

    If you can manage 3" groups at 300 yards consitently, I'd say you'd be ready to upgrade your gear.

    But for now why not just shave your front sight (you don't even have to remove it) put a FF handguard/rail and put some glass on it. You maybe even able to get sub moa groups with the right ammo. The best thing is if you invest in some good glass, you'll be able to transfer it to a future upper.
     
  13. AgentTikki

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    aaaaaaaa The tax return, its like, hitting a mini lotto, or a good day in Vegas.........


    until you get married, have kids, inlaws move in, get a mortgage.. but enough of all that shiznets. I'd shave my front sight base (free, but like 10 minutes with a dremel) , and free float a Samson Evolution 12" ($175), and put some a Troy BUIS ($100), on your bad boy, then spend the rest on good glass and match ammo. I bet you can get sub MOA with some nice 69 or 75 bullets at 300 yards.
     
  14. TacticalPrecision

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    I'm agreeing with what most everyone says.

    Under 300 yards I wouldn't even worry about free-floating, it's not really far enough to make a difference, it's when you get out there and the bullet is flying for a few seconds that you really notice the difference of a floated barrel. I'd say honestly your long term goals for the gun should echo in your parts choices, if you want to turn it into a 600+ gun then buy the stuff to do that, if you have no intentions of it, better to build it for what you're going to use it for.

    Example - If you buy an quad rail free float and never put a vg or light/laser etc on it..then it's all wasted money. That's why modular options have become more popular as people can change the gun as their money and situations change with little cost.

    Example 2 - On the same token if you build a gun incapable of all that and then decide later to make the changes you're generally stuck with parts that no one else wants and some wasted money.

    So as with all the people doing builds that come here asking for advice and have an "idea" of what they want to do I pose the simple request back unto you.. - Make the decision on what you want YOUR Rifle to be able to do and trust in the wisdom of the forum on what you -need- and then decide what you - WANT - and let us know the plans for the gun in the future; or if you're like most of us and have a gun for plinking, a gun for long range, a SHTF gun, a personal defense gun, and that startling realization that you have 6 guns that look very much alike but all are distinctly different enough to make you feel like you need to have all 6.
     
  15. mjkeat

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    I prefer a FF tube regardless of range. I don't even remember the last time I shot past 100 yards. Though slight you can put pressure on a barrel w/ a sling or when putting a lot of force on a non free floated HG. 12"-13" FF tubes are by far my favorite because I can get out over the barrel fairly close to the muzzle devise.
     
  16. TacticalPrecision

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    I agree with you mj, I prefere the freefloats aswell, but I can't list a free float as a requirement for a 200-300 yard gun for the average plinker. It would be different if it was for tactical shoots, or 3 gun or something of that nature, but the average plinker gun is going to be standing/crouching/supported and there won't be much need for such a setup.
     
  17. mjkeat

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    I can see your point.
     
  18. Quentin

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    Honestly I have to say I haven't felt the need for a free float barrel for my shooting which is not at as high a level as some others here. Almost everything is 100 yards or less for me and at my age I really don't drive the rifle like the operators. I am a good shot and always have been so just get out there and put quite a lot of rounds down range to keep up my confidence, decent skill and have fun. I don't worry that I'm only around 2-3MOA. My ARs are of good quality but pretty basic, definitely not tricked up in any way. I do try to keep my handgun skills at a higher level as I'm more likely to need that in a defensive situation (urban, concealed).

    Always interesting to see what you guys are doing though! Always something new to learn.
     
  19. TacticalPrecision

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    AR for Defense is where it's at IMO. I have kids so I can't keep mine within reach at night due to safety, but I have a biolocked .45 if i'm worried about the 6 feet and the 30 seconds it'll take me to get to my AR being dangerous. it has an IR light and a pushbutton laser that work great with the IR style NV scope I have on it. Nothing like being completely invisible in a house and being able to see everything(note it's expensive)
     
  20. mjkeat

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    A lot of people would agree, myself included.