Bugging out? Where to?

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by txpossum, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. txpossum

    txpossum New Member

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    It seems that "bug-out" bags are a must have fashion accessory these days. Don't get me wrong, I have one in each of my vehicles, only I refer to them as my "get home" bags. I am frequently working in Pittsburgh, but live about 65 miles north of the city. My concern is getting back, as I have made the decision to try to get by at home in most SHTF situations. My stuff is here; my water supply is here; my ability to grow food is here. It is difficult to imagine a situation where I would be better off elsewhere.

    But, for those of you who do feel that the best plan in a real emergency would be to leave your current location and go elsewhere, how may of you have a specific destination in mind?
     
  2. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Victims in urban areas might need to get out of the city.


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  3. txpossum

    txpossum New Member

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    Sure. But have they given a thought as to WHERE they're going, or is the only goal to "get out of the city". Do they have friends or family that own rural property; do they head for national parks; plan to trespass on private property on the basis of "need"?

    Just curious how many with bug out bags have thought out the next step.
     
  4. CardiacColt68

    CardiacColt68 New Member

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    I have a get home bag for when I travel for work. As far as bugging out goes, I have a wife and two kids that will have to be bagged and bugged too! We are in the planning phase of building a weekend place with 6.5 acres about 2.5 hours away up in the mountains. It has a fresh water spring, and is in a more defensible area than our house. So my plan is to haul ass up there if we feel the need to leave the home front.


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  5. TankTop

    TankTop Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I stated this before, I watched a program where a Dept of Fish and Game (forgot what his title was but he helped track the numbers of game to decide number of tags to be given out) state in a SHTF situation we would kill almost every large animal in N America inside 3 days. How many people would shoot every wild animal on site with or without need. It would get horrible for everyone fast, if you don't face a huge reason to leave home don't.


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  6. rn-cindy

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    Another thing to think about...If you plan to stay where your at (as we do).. You are going to need help..It wont be long before the people who decided to "bug out" will have starving children, etc. And will do anything to survive. Including killing you off / burning you out, whatever it takes to take what you have... You will need help to be on watch, and defend your location 24/7....You might need a Dozen adults to pull this off. If its just you the wife and kids..? You wont survive the first wave of desperate people...So include in your plan, enough provisions for more than just yourself....
     
  7. John_Deer

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    In NC the average is 35 deer to the square mile. There are areas of the state that have over 100 deer to the square mile. Most people don't have a pack of dogs to drive the deer out of dense cover. In a SHTF situation we would shoot anyone who interfered with our hunt. It wouldn't take long for a band of 35 men to clear out all the people who might encroach on our hunt. There is such an abundance of fish and game in many areas if you had to steal from others we would just be putting the thief out of his misery. The area I would go to has everything from runs of millions of fish to bug migrations. yes, I would eat a lot of bugs in a SHTF situation. Uncle Sam spent a lot of money training me to live off the land. I would not let that training go to waste.
     
  8. Shoobee

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    TxP, you may be right about bugging-in, and you may be wrong. It all depends on what happens around you.

    Are you downwind of any nuclear power plants like Three Mile Island? If so, that might become your need to bug out.

    Are you near any railroad tracks? If so, then a chemical spill might become that reason.

    Are you in a flood plain?

    Is there a big freeway close to you?

    Read 'One Second After' by Forstchen, and then make up your mind about it.

    Ultimately we would need to have a good water source -- unpolluted -- and be able to grow vegetables, grains, and rabbits to survive a major disaster -- such as the kind that might reduce the population by 50% or more over time.

    The book and its story pretty much discuss the whole event.

    Bugging out from the US West Coast might be necessary to avoid an advancing army such as from China or Russia. In 1941 the risk was from Japan.

    Bugging out from the US Southwest might be necessary to avoid the same thing from Mexico.

    An approaching mega hurricane could force bugging out from the US Gulf Coast.

    Generally speaking, anyone living within a few hours' drive from a major city might need to bug out to get away from the exodus of refugees and the criminal element.

    There are lots of reasons.
     
  9. Shoobee

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    If you read 'The Second After,' everything like that pretty much got picked clean in no time. And if its a war that you want, then the road warrior packs would give you a war, sure. You would lose.
     
  10. Shoobee

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    Exactly ...

    It would take a village to survive such a crisis -- a whole village.

    One with doctors, and nurses, and a mayor, and a council, and a militia -- the most daunting challenge would be the exodus of road vagabonds and the road warriors in their wake.

    I supposed that if you could make it up to northern Canada or to Alaska, you might be able to survive alone. But anywhere else in the lower 48 it would not be possible to survive alone outside of an organized and fortified village.
     
  11. txpossum

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    I have read "Once Second After" and liked it a lot. And, fortunately, most of the reasons as to why I would need to leave where I live are extremely unlikely.

    My point is not necessarily that people shouldn't plan on bugging out -- but that the decision to do so if not enough. You cannot be prepared by what you have in a bag, but rather what your extended plan is. Driving around randomly hoping to find a suitable place would be an taking a big chance.
     
  12. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    Many people that think they could 'shelter in place' might be forced from their home from a multitude of reasons.
    That would be impossible even if Fish & Game Departments hired all civilians to try it. Anyone who has been on public hunting areas during active hunting seasons know that a mass of well fed and well equipped hunters, hunt hard and still only shoot some of the game. There is a very valid reason it is called hunting.
    Everyone who decides to stay at home should have several bug out locations at different distances picked out and fully scouted ahead of time just in case.
     
  13. manta

    manta Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Too many variables I would decide when and if I needed to. But I won't be losing any sleep worrying about it.
     
  14. Eagle1803

    Eagle1803 New Member

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    My bug out bag is in my house, my house has everything we need to survive
     
  15. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Don't you know? They are all going to the mountains where they will be welcomed with open arms by the people who live there now........
     
  16. Shoobee

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    You are exactly right. Bugging-in should always be Plan A.

    But you need a strong Plan B as well in case bugging-out is forced upon you.

    For me, bugging out would be like an extended camping trip.

    And bugging-in is my Plan A too. Ya jus' gotta develop tha taste for urban city dwellers on tha hoof!

    :)
     
  17. shooter58

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    Those who have prepared very well might be the most high profile of targets. No matter how much you prepare, you can only withstand constant attack for so long. The more you have the less mobile you are and soon word would get out as you become more of a target for the wolves. I have considered (one of my many plan As)
    To appear as one who has not prepared. To go so far as to beg the neighborhood for help and maintaining the appearance of destitute in the wake of whatever may have just taken place. All the while harvesting the neighborhood dogs and cats. Hiding in plain sight you might say.
    I believe the biggest mistake one can make, is to try and prepare so that you can maintain the life you once had. That mind set may take a lifetime of energy fighting a losing battle. I believe the long term survivors will be the ones who understand that the old life is gone and embrace the new one. If and when civilization returns, then make the transition back.
     
  18. rn-cindy

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    I have read about this very thing on some of the "prepper" sites...That IS Plan A for some people...to know where the prepared people are..so they can band together with other pirates..and take large amounts of supplies. Shoobee is right..i dont care how remote your location, or how Rambo you think you are...You will need a Village to fend off the looters, and protect your loved ones....
     
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  19. GTX63

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    All things equal, most "bugging out" will be from the metro areas. Just a little instability inside urban enviroments can be enough to grow into chaos. Yes, people do tend to band together during catastrophic events, but I don't think we are really talking about a 10 day power down from a hurricane. I'm a general contractor and I am home in the office 80% of the time. Chances are I'll have enough resources to get home, and once there, will be staying there.
     
  20. GTX63

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    I know of maybe a dozen homes within 2 miles of our house. There are maybe three roads. We don't know everyone that well, but it wouldn't stop everyone out here from grouping up and blocking access to anyone who doesn't have an address out here. There would be a quick "us vs them" mentality if it came to that, and I'm sure it wouldn't be uncommon in other rural areas as well.