Bugging out,SHTF,ect..WHAT IF

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by DodgerBlue, Sep 11, 2011.

  1. DodgerBlue

    DodgerBlue New Member

    I enjoy these survival topics and have learned alot. Like what to do if the ammo paint starts to rub off the ammo can and other cool stuff.

    But I had a thought hit me like a ton of bricks. My mom and aunt came down to visit this weekend.

    My parents aren't going to be able to "bug" out. I'm not leaving them. I know some of you crazies will find some way to justify leaving them. "oh their old" "they told me to leave them" blah blah blah...

    If you're the kind of person who could leave you're parents behind you're not the type of person I want in my camp. How long till you/they betrayed the camp?

    What do you all think?
  2. NOVA

    NOVA New Member

    I beleive you will find two schools of thought here.

    First of all, bugging out is not recommended unless it is fairly certain that remaining in place will result in life being threatened in the near future. The majority of people in populated areas have no clue how to survive for more than one day out in the wilderness. I'd give myself three days in a worst case scenario. While my wife and I have been studying this topic for years now, we lack enough practical experience. Our best chances is to hunker down with enough food and water for three weeks. Stay indoors until the danger has passed.

    From my research I have concluded the following, take it for what its worth and I'm sure some Prepared Citizens with real experience will be along to comment.

    If you are bugging out you'll need to consider everyone's ability to take care of themselves - of course you'll take your immediate family, but you are responsible for them. Any other able-bodied adult who can contribute to a team effort, able to take the lead as well as follow directions, physically and mentally fit would be an asset - there is strength in numbers. But at the other end of the spectrum, if things are really desperate, you will only want to consider what is best for yourself, your spouse and your children - everyone else will have to look out for themselves. Sounds harsh, but it could your best strategy for survival.

  3. TrueNorth

    TrueNorth New Member

    Well, I'm not sure what you are asking exactly. You've made up your mind to stay with/rescue family who may not be able to save themselves. Some might say that this is dumb - which it may be in the strictest sense of personal survival - and others will applaud you for your humanity and loyalty.

    I think that each persons level of compassion is different, and they should account for it in their planning. Since you know now that you will try to save others, then you must prepare yourself to do that. When stockpiling, stockpile for a group, since you can't expect the others to come with supplies, this means to store enough food, water, weapons, toiletries blankets etc for many people - all provided by you at your expense before a disaster!

    It could be good to know the skills of the people you expect to have around, ie if they are doctors or hunters etc. You should use these peoples strengths as much as possible to help make them a boon, and not a burden to you.

    Also prepare yourself for patience, since you are carrying the team, everyone is looking to you, you will need to have a plan for everything, and must put up with their weakness if they slow you down (which they probably will).

    In the end you become responsible for everyone that you save, they will rely on you, and be a drag on you, possibly endangering your life. Know these facts and prepare for them. I believe that compassion is good and that we should save others as much as possible because in the end it takes more than one man to rebuild society, but that compassion can be expensive and risky for those who burden themselves with the safety of others.
  4. TrueNorth

    TrueNorth New Member

    But if you're asking whether or not to bug out with family... well you do what you need to. Bugging out is usually a last resort, unless you bug out in the earliest stages of a disaster. Since most people miss that stage, they all try to bugout in the middle of a disaster, which makes everything harder - sometimes it is too late to make a mistake!

    Anyways, unless you can make it out before the disaster - which is unlikely for anyone to do. Then you should only bugout when its absolutely necessary, and staying where you are will result in death.

    So I guess my advice for you is to BugIn. Since you plan to save others bugging in allows you to have more supplies and space to save several people. And staying in one spot is easier than trying to move a group of people who are in different states of physical fitness and speed. Bugging in will be your best choice.
  5. Lindenwood

    Lindenwood New Member

    I don't think anyone would be so cold as to abandon family to die--or at least few would admit it.

    Bugging in sounds like your only option, unless your home is being overrun by flame or zombies.

    As far as the "they told me to leave" issue goes, I'd like to think that if my parents knew they weren't going to survive, they wouldn't want me to risk my life trying to save them if they knew I would likely get away if I left. I don't imagine any decent parent would feel any different. Hell, if the roles were reversed, I'd still want them to leave if I, for example, had broken legs or something and danger was approaching too fast for us all to escape together. I'd rather go out knowing I did everything I could to save the others around me, than die knowing I took all my loved ones with me...
  6. DodgerBlue

    DodgerBlue New Member

    "flaming zombies" rofl..if that happens I'll just put on celine dion with some cheese and crackers...that should give me plenty of time to get out safe whiles they mingle and talk about Ellen.
  7. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

    Dodger- I understand (I think) your feelings- but I will ask you to give some thought to what you said in your first post.

    Yes, I understand- you would not want to abandon your parents. Are you married? What about your WIFE'S parents? If they cannot leave where THEY are, do you think your wife wants to abandon them?

    My folks passed away some years ago. I am a father, grandfather, great grandfather. So- who gets me??? (Answer- the highest bidder :p)

    Now, in our case, our plans are that we already ARE where we want to be- and there is room for the whole clan at Casa de C3. But I realize that OUR kids have spouses, and in-laws- and that THEIR plans may be different from OUR plans.

    I DO applaud you for honorable intentions- but ask that you consider that other folks may have other circumstances.
  8. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

    If we have to bug out, we have to move to even higher ground. But I don't know if we could/would. My wife is ill and her condition at that time will determine if we stay or go.

    I plan for this place to be a rally point for some friends from town if they can get here.

    I've given this a great deal of thought and I just can't project what will happen or what the best decision will be. I guess when the times comes the decision will be made.
  9. DodgerBlue

    DodgerBlue New Member

    C3, were lucky. not married no kids. My GF has little to no contact with her parents. Weve been together 8 years and have never met her mom and her dad once. They're on their own. Were going to be pretty mobile. I only really have 3 people I deeply care for. Parents and GF

    IF, im able to get to them, my parents, that's all I plan on securing unless a few get picked up along the way.

    You always good points C3 keep it up bud
  10. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

    Anyone shtfing, bugging out or whatever, that has not already laid in place the plan for friends / family, has only half assed prepared.

    They will likely regret this if a catastrophic situation ever arises, and will wish they had prepared more completely.
  11. XR750

    XR750 New Member

    I can understand I would have never been able to leave Mom.
    I don't have that problem any more.
    Now I have a wife who's Mom won't prepare because God will take care of her!
    Well she's right God won't let me kick her to the curb either.
    Since we are going to bug in it just means some more selves & jugs of water.

  12. Firearms4ever

    Firearms4ever New Member

    Should SHTF occure I have three plans depending on how bad the situation is. If it's not that bad I'm going to stay in my current location with my family. If it gets moderately bad then we will go to Danville where all my family are located. If it gets extremely bad then we will go to my aunt's in Catawba which is 30 to 45 minutes away.
  13. ArizonaLawman

    ArizonaLawman New Member

    My fathe passed on 19 years ago, and my mother left us when I was 6 after declaring that "I have had enough of you Frank, and those damned kids."

    So...I am not too worried about her. She sent me a card upon my graduation from the academy reading: "I hope you die like all pigs should"

    However....my mother in law...my MOM, will not be left. We are bugging in at my place. I already have a plan in place to get her and her husband here. My best friend lives less than 1/8 of a mile from her home, and his job is to get them here if SHTF. My best friend happens to be a currently serving officer (we met in SWAT school back in 1994).

    Together, he and I are a force multiplier.
  14. PerpetualStudent

    PerpetualStudent New Member

    AZLawman, that is a horrible thing for a mother to do. But, it did make planning much easier.

    I honestly haven't put much thought into this since this is all new to me. Thanks for the ideas and it's something that I need to discuss with my family.

    The Mind is like a Parachute. It only works when it's open.
  15. bkt

    bkt New Member

    No offense to your MIL, but that attitude really pisses me off. If you have fair warning and the ability to take steps to prepare, you're tempting God if you say "God will take care of me" and that doesn't work too well.

    I'm not a religious guy. But if a heathen idiot like me understands that then it should be obvious to real followers.
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2011
  16. widowmaker

    widowmaker New Member

    "Pray to God but row away from the rocks." Anon.
  17. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

    We are too old to bug out. Our best shot is to help keep the town running. We do have some friends that we can get together with for mutual assistance. My biggest worry is our kids and their families which are 600 miles away in the PRK. Not a lot I can do for them unless they can get here on their own. While they do have some weapons, it is not much and their preparedness is dismal. I gave my son a pistol and a shotgun for HD/SD. Everyone in my daughters family knows how to shoot. At least they are close to each other, almost neighbors so they can help each other.
  18. Sniper75

    Sniper75 New Member

    I am stationed on camp Pendleton in ca my bug out plan are to get out of this state as fast as possible I have family in AZ but my bug out location is in NH. I know it's quite a trip but I'll do what I have to do to get there. I plan to get the Rockies then head north into canada and a straight shot east. I have a wife and her family is in AZ my parents as well. our plan basically depends 90% on seeing that shtf is going to happen not leaving while its happening.
  19. trip286

    trip286 New Member

    Have you been talking to my Mom? That's her standpoint on the matter, her and my stepdad have a good deal of land, a bunkhouse built into the barn, kids bunkhouse on the second floor of the house (for the younger ones) and are only needing a power supply to be completely off the grid; they're thinking about a combination of solar panels and wind turbines. She also keeps my stepsister's horse real nice and fat, "just in case" because she doesn't want to have to eat her own horse-she's too fond of her
  20. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

    I'm a Christian and I believe that our fate rests in God's hands. However, let me share this little story:

    A great flood was coming and people were leaving the area in droves. However, one family stood fast. "God will protect us" they stated with great conviction.

    Well, sure enough, the deluge started and the water rose to their first floor windows. A neighbor came by in his rowboat and told them to jump in and he'd take them to higher ground. "No, God will save us!" they replied. So off the boatman went.

    A while later, the water had risen to the second floor and another neighbor came by in a motorboat and told them to get aboard. "No, God will take care of us" they replied.

    Soon after, the water had risen so high that the family was on the roof and holding on for dear life. A Coast Guard helicopter hovered overhead and lowered a rescue basket, but again, the family refused the offer of help. "God will save us."

    Shortly after the helicopter left, the water was so high that the family finally drowned.

    When they got to Heaven, the family asked God why He didn't save them. God's reply was "What were you thinking? I sent you two boats and a helicopter."

    'Nuff said.