Budget bolt gun suggestions?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Ruzai, Jan 27, 2011.

  1. Ruzai

    Ruzai New Member

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    My father decided he wanted a bolt action rifle this year and now is a good time to buy for us, and I was wondering if I could ask for a little help finding what he wants. I generally dont want spend more than $500 on the rifle itself if I have to. These are the features I'm looking for in a rifle for him.
    Caliber needs to be .308 Win but can be in .30-06 if it really comes down to it.
    He'd like less than a 90-degree bolt throw for a large scope, he's thinking more for the 4-16x40 or 50mm.
    I'd like for the rifle to have a detachable box mag with capacity with 3 at the lowest, but this doesnt seem to bother him too much, I just want things to be easier for him really.

    The options I've looked at are the Marlin XS7, but it has an internal mag, but he loves the price and accuracy of the gun to death because he had a chance to shoot one the other day.
    The Thompson Center Venture I was exceptionally interested in but I've read that the magazine's tend to break frequently, nor have I found many aftermarket parts for the gun avaliable.
    And, yes I have looked at the Remington rifles, but I'm not a huge fan of them due to the feel of all of the actions I've tested.
    If I just cant find a detachable box mag rifle for under $500 I think I'll just have to reconsider the internal mag condition.
    Any suggestions?
     
  2. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    I'll probably get hammered by the gun snobs for telling you this but who cares.

    Look at a TOZ 122. It's a russian made (not surplus) 308. I bought one on a whim and like it very much. no it isn't the most beautiful rifle but it functions and is accurate and actually has a good trigger. 5 round detachable magazine comes with two and scope rings and iron sights and you can use the iron sights with the scope rings attached. Also it has a chromed bore. All for 299 dollars.

    I bought two at the time sold one. One had a free floated barrel the other was suppose to be but needed a little trimming to make it so. For the money you can't beat them for a new gun.
     

  3. Poink88

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    Check:
    Savage Edge/Axis

    No mag worth checking...
    Weatherby Vanguard
    Howa 1500
     
  4. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    It is going to be a little harder to find a DM in your price range.

    Savage

    Howa 1500/ Vanguard

    The only less that 90Deg bolt I know of is Browning and your not getting one for under $700..
     
  5. Sniper03

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    In that price range other than finding Dad a good used rifle. Howa or Mossberg might be worth looking at. Both are good rifles for that price and quality. I would not be afraid to hunt with either brand even though I am a Remington and Sako fan. Both companies make some good rifles. The box magazine might be another issue. Most have 4+1 internal magazines but some have drop plates.

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  6. jsj127

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    Go for the venture. I bought my youngest son one the first year they came out. For Christmas my oldest gave me one in 308. Ive not been able to find another one like he gave me. It's got the weathershield barrel and a mossy oak treestand camo stock. It is a great gun for the money. Nice trigger, very accurate, good recoil pad. As far as the mags breaking, we've not had any problem whatsoever Theyve worked flawlessly but I guess anything can break. My next suggestion would be the tikka but that's going to be more than $500 probably.
     
  7. jsj127

    jsj127 New Member

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    Oh the action on the tikka will be smoother than the venture and I'd say the trigger is better on the tikka.
     
  8. stalkingbear

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    I was going to recommend the Marlin XL-7/XS-7 until I read you want a detachable mag. For the features you want the TC Venture is going to be your best bet.
     
  9. dteed4094

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    Savage Axis, Stevens 200 @ $300 gives you room for glass.
     
  10. Ruzai

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    The Savage Axis looks like a really good deal, if it were upgradable to the Accu-trigger system as an aftermarket part I think that'd be my choice but that would require a custom job. That being said, I'd like to not have to put in a whole lot of work into the gun out of the box. If I were buying a gun for myself on the other hand, I'd be ok with it.

    I'm still on the fence about the T/C Venture. I can smooth up the race-ways and bolt in a day, so that wont be exactly a custom job. The T/C does have the 60 degree bolt throw and an adjustable trigger which are a couple of the reasons I'm thinking its a step up from the Marlin XS7 on features but not so much on track record. But no amount of features amounts to a hill of beans if the mags break or are not able to shoot lead or something like that due to the 5R rifling of the T/C, I have no idea what the perks or disadvantages of it might be.
    What really bothers me is the fact that T/C doesnt have magazines listed on their website for the Venture at all, what's up with that? We just have to stick with what comes in the box, we cant buy extras or something? lol

    rjd3282 I'm glad you were brave enough to put that out there, I like working on odd guns like that one, if I ever come across one in a gun show at a good price I'll be sure to snatch it up for myself so I can make myself a nice bolt action with a little bit of elbow grease. Personaly, I like the ability to have iron sights just because they dont take away from anything but can still be useful, but its never a breaking point for me.

    Appreciate the feed-back guys, I'll be heading to do some hands on searching tomorrow evening, so i'll let you know how that goes and if anything good crops up.
     
  11. skullcrusher

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    I will throw in the Marlin XL/XS-7 if you decide a detachable mag is not a deal killer. If it is, I will offer the Mossberg 4x4, but I am not certain that it is offered in .308 Win.

    As far as the 5R rifling process...ummm, while I am not sure, but could that be a process where the rifling is done by using progressively larger reamers (5 in all) to complete the process? To me, that sounds like another word for "doing it differently because we named it and it sounds good so we can use that as a selling point."
     
  12. Ubergopher

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    I've got an XL-7 in 30-06 and I'm a pretty big fan of it, especially for the price.

    I'd recommend that if you make a DM a non-make or break. I'm not sure if they make it in .308 though.
     
  13. Ruzai

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    I never considered Mossberg rifles..glad someone pointed them out. The Mossberg 4x4 looks like a good deal. Not a fan of the muzzle brake, it just looks funky on a hunting rifle really. The only bad thing about the 4x4 is its not offered in 308 win. I figure he'd have to actually hold and take a look at the 4x4 to see if the features outweighed the problem of it not being in .308 win.
    Hopefully we can find one tomorrow.

    That 5R rifling for the T/C sounds like the progressive rifling Smith and Wesson had to do in their .460 revolver because if they didnt it wouldnt have been able to last as long because of the high pressure of entering such a high rate to twist rifling. Ahh bureaucrats...they'll find a way to copy anything with a loop hole :rolleyes:
     
  14. jsj127

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    From what I understand the 5r rifling with 5 lands and grooves is suppose to cause less bullet deformation than the standard 6 land and groove rifling to help achieve accuracy and the way they are cut is supposedly not to attract as much copper fouling and be easier to clean. Fact or marketing hype? I'm not sure but I know ours shoot great for $400 rifles.
    What problems are people having with their venture magazines? I've not had any trouble out of the 2 rifles that we have but I would like to know what to watch for.
     
  15. fireguy

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    Your least expensive options are probably going to be Mossberg and Savage.
    they are both good guns, more than enough for deer hunting. The Howa and Weatherby vanguards are a little more expensive.
     
  16. Poink88

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    Weatherby Vanguard are around $399.99 at Academy Sports...we just bought 2 late last year. True that they may cost a bit more (about $20 - $100 depending on the model) but the quality (compared to Mossberg) is very obvious (well to me at least).
     
  17. Ruzai

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    Well a disappointment I wasnt expecting is that Academy and Bass Pro (at least around here) dont carry the Marlin bolt actions any more. Both guys I talked to were knowledgeable and both told me the same thing, that the Marlin's werent moving at all but of course the lever-actions were. Seems people tend to skip over the Marlin's and go straight for the Vangaurd or just shell out for the Remington SPS.
    I didnt get to look at the T/C Venture but I did get to look at the Mossberg 4x4 in 30-06, which was very nicely built considering it was $340. The Vangaurd was of course nicely built and was a $399 at Academy. I did get to look at a Savage Axis and a Savage 10 and both were more on par with the Vangaurd than the Mossberg.
    Dad said we would just wait till the next gun show and see about it then. Since that's the case I'll be trying to save up a few extra bucks to give him so it'll give him a step up in quality for the rifle, since I wont be around to give him a birthday present this summer.
     
  18. cpttango30

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    buy on line and ship it to a store near you.

    You can always do that.
     
  19. Ruzai

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    Well, I found dad's rifle, it was the XL7 in 30-06. We're planning on sighting it in tomorrow evening. The scope it comes with looks like it was on an airsoft rifle, but we'll give it a shot anyway. I've got a second scope I can put on there if this one craps out.
     
  20. ChicagoJoe

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    You may want to look at a Tikka T3 synthetic lightweight. It has a 60deg bolt, detachable magazine, free floating barrel and guaranteed 1 MOA accuracy. At my local BassPro it was $450. It was very similar to the TC in features, look and feel.