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Discussion in 'Blackpowder & Musket' started by md1911, Feb 16, 2012.
Can anyone tell me what the best way is to keep a piatt 1858 new army. From jump fiting
I don't understand "jump fiting".
I have a Pietta 1858 NMA replica. Timing? I can't help with a timing issue, but others here probably could.
Sorry for the typo. I mean jump firing were multiple rounds fire at once. I have heard its a problem
If you are talking about a "chain fire", I haven't had that problem. I use a lubricated "wonder wad" under each round lead ball and make sure all my caps are tight and secure on the nipples. If there is a tight-fitting ball over a lubed wad up front and a secure cap on the back, there shouldn't be a way for a spark/flame to get to the powder.
Some people use a bit of crisco (vegetable shortening/grease for cooking) or bees wax or some mixture on top of the lead ball as an additional step to seal out spark from the front (and allegedly to soften the fouling), but i have yet to see the need for that. I think that is more of a historical kind of thing, like using a powder horn.
I do find it helpful to measure my powder and put it into 6 used/empty .357 mag cases and to lay out 6 balls to prevent confusion during loading. My nephew loaded two balls in one chamber somehow (actually twice in same reload).
Thanks chain firing is the term I was looking for. I use the prelude patch. I had just heard it was a problem
I'm not personally familar with the "prelude patch", but i haven't been shooting BP for very long either. These are the ones i use: http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=3561
When i think of BP patches, i think of the big but thin lubed patches i put under the ball on my .50 caliber sidelock pistol (single shot, like a cut down BP rifle). http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_99_316&products_id=12218 I think that is more to make sure of a tight fit with between ball & rifling.
I guess the only real difference on these is that wonder wads are thicker than wonder patches...i wonder.
I have had a cap fall off a nipple before; that scared me when i saw it. I also had a "dud" cap the first time out with my 1858 replica revolver, spooky.
Been there I've owned bp for years but they were all single shots muzzle load my son picked up the 44 for me at a yard sale 10 bucks
When you load a revolver, you use a slightly oversized bullet. When the rammer pushes it home, you want a thin ring of lead shaved off all the way around the ball- snug fit. Lubed wad under ball, grease on top.
Any BP revolver could chain fire, but all the steps the other posters have listed are a good way to prevent it. FWIW (knock on wood) I've never had a chain fire, I've been shooting BP off an on for 15 years. As C3 said, make sure you shave a ring of lead. I use wonder wads, but I don't put any grease on top.
Thank u all I finished going all thru it going to shoot it after work tommarow. I can't wait to see how it shoots. Iv worked on my own firearms for years and just reacentlly started a online gunsmith course. I completley disasembaled and rebuilt it. Lol it was rustey and not taken care of and it was loaded when I got it but the barrel didn't even look like it had ever been fired
1858 new army in 44 cal
Prelubed Ox Yoke patches are expensive about .10 cents each. Crisco in the chamber is a waste the first round blows most of it out. C3 is correct on proper ball size and 99.9% lead balls. Putting lube and patches in these guns is a modern thing. Colt never told anyone to do this in the old days. If you want a small amount of lube over the chamber use a high heat nonpetro lube like Mobile One Red Grease from Auto Zone. This whole issue of cross firing chambers is a "Boogie Man" BS yarn any way. This is caused by poor fitting caps on worn nipples no big deal. I was test firing a Ruger Old Army at the range last week. The ROA had a bad nipple and it cross fired the right out board chamber. I was shooting near max loads of 40 grs of T7 under a 200 grs. conical at a measured velocity of 1,011 FPS. at a 7 Yd combat target. The cross fired chamber and the centered chamber put rounds 1" apart in the bull. I wish I could get the gun to shoot that double all the time. The cross fired or chain fire in most cases you will not know it until you find an empty chamber you did not fire. The chamber fired ball will go 12 yards and hit the ground. The gun you have will most likely need a new set of nipples. The old nipples may be froze in the threads. Install new ones with antiseize clean nipple threads once per year. Make sure to lube the center pin. The 58' Remington will often bind by 18 fired rounds. Drop the cylinder clean and lube the center pin.
The BP hand guns are very accurate fire arms. This is a Rogers & Spencer .457 caliber revolver. The Rogers & Spencers are used by the U.S. world Shooting teams. This 6 shot group was fired with max loads at 25 yards over a sand bag rest. I hope you enjoy your 58 Remington.
Ill be sure and post how it shoots. And thanks fpr tje information it's been a lot of help. When I took it apart I removed the nipples and cleaned them also. I've been shooting bp for
For a long time this is just my first revolver. I haven't even shot it yet but it feels natural in my hand and if it shoots well I will probably buy another one this one is made by piatt. What manufacturer makes the best
Both Uberti and Piette make fine fire arms. I am a shooter and even though I own Colt, Remington and Rogers modern shooters are my favorite. I like the Ruger Old Army it is not for people who want to shoot copies of orginal pistols. The ROA is a modern powerful accurate hand gun. I also have the .45 Colt Ctg. Conv for the ROA.
This is the SS version of the ROA.
Nice looking revolver
Just got home from shooting the 44 I loved it got to get another
Hehe!!! Their addictive!!! Glad ya had fun.
I got this from the UPS truck. via KAB (Kelly) Put a few through it today.