Bound Book

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by Woody, Jul 19, 2011.

  1. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    How soon do I need to start my Bound Book? Now or when I make my first purchase? Ive already recived my C&R. Also do C&R's I already own previously like my Norinco 213 have to be listed in this book? From what I am reading this book is a record of any acquisitions and dispositions after reciving my license.
    If so then
    If I would sell my Norinco 213 would it be recoreded as a disposition even though I owned it before getting a C&R
    (muddy waters for me still)
    And lastly must the book be bound or can it be loose leaf or electronic and if it must be bound can it be any type of generic log book from office depot or is it a special type of book you must purchase
     
  2. cddbrowns

    cddbrowns New Member

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    I, like most I would assume, keep the book no matter what. I dont have a C&R yet, but when I do, every firearm I have will be documented and kept record of. Just my opinion.
     

  3. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    I would say to contact BATF for the answers you are seeking, I know some don't trust them but they most times are will to help answer them tough questions
     
  4. ScottG

    ScottG New Member

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    Woody, you only need to keep records of firearms you purchase using your C&R license. It doesn't matter if the gun is on the list, only that you used your 03 to purchase it. Then when you dispose of that item, you need to post that in your bound book. There is no "bound book" that must be purchased from any agency or other person. All you need is to keep the information you are required to keep. Just create your own using your favorite spreadsheet application and print it out. You need to have a paper copy, but you only need to show it if they ask you. I keep mine on the computer and can print it out if I need to. No one has ever asked to see mine. I have all the information in a folder so if the computer crashes I can make a bound book by hand. No need to overthink it, or let it make your hair gray. That's what kids are for..... :D
     
  5. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    Gotcha
    Thanx
     
  6. Poink88

    Poink88 New Member

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    Please verify this with BATF.

    In my work, our inspectors are required to use bound notebook to log their dailies since it will show if any page is removed or tampered with. It holds much more credibility in court than loose sheets of paper. Whether the same applies to your C&R, I am not sure.
     
  7. TheOldMan

    TheOldMan New Member

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    Very good advice .. I have had my 03 C&R for over 12 years now and have always used the BATF "approved" version of the records keeping bound book. You get this from the BATF for free so why not use it to keep yourself legal all around. Brownells sells something very similar. The BATF also has a computerized version you can download or get for free.

    My advice, use the right book and keep good solid records.
     
  8. Orlando

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    I have had my license for years and am still amazed of the license holders that dont know the answers to the most basic questions.
    I suggest you read the packet that was sent before you received you license.
    #1 C&R firearms that you owned before you got your license and not logged in. Thet are logged out if you were to sell them.
    #2 All C&R firearms are to be logged in if they were purchased while you had your license even if you did not use your license to obtain them.
    #3 You do not have to use a bound book. Loose leaf binder etc is fine
     
  9. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    Orlando
    I've had my license a few weeks and I'm still amazed at how some think that since they know the answers to basic questions they are experts
    Thanx for the answers but you can keep the attitude
     
  10. Orlando

    Orlando New Member

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    Woody
    I give you no attitude
    Have you even opened your packet and looked for answers?
    Are you relying on what someone on the internet tells you??
    My suggestion is to read , its you butt if you take someones wrong advice.
    You will always have some questions and may need to ask but what you are asking are very basic
    If you dont take the time to research answers yourself you shouldnt have the license.
    Sorry but thats my opinion, good luck
     
  11. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    Just so you know I have been going over my packet since I have received it and yet to find where it's says a loose leaf bound book is acceptable. So I asked. If you can tell me where it states that enlighten me plz.
     
  12. Orlando

    Orlando New Member

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    A “bound book” is a permanently bound book or an "orderly arrangement of loose-leaf pages " which must be maintained . The format must follow that prescribed in the regulations, and the pages must be numbered consecutively.

    [27 CFR 478.121 and 478.125]


    You should have a copy of the form with your paperwork that you can copy off and put in a binder.
     
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2011
  13. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    Maybe your ATF Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide is newer than mine They sent me a 2005 edition

    My Open letter to all recently federally licensed collectors of curio or relic firearms (also dated Jan 19 2005)
    on the back page states
    Licensed Collectors MUST

    Prepare an Acquisition and Disposition (A/D) record as prescribed by
    27 CFR 478.125 (f)

    section (f) is on page 67
    and states nothing of "or an orderly arrangement of loose leaf pages)

    also no form to copy and put in a binder was sent in my packet

    The notice of Errata for ATF P 5300.4
    (updates to the reg book)
    say nothing about 27 CFR 478.125 (f) pg 67

    I did recive a letter in my packet saying


    To Whom it may concern
    The ammended FFL form F5300.38was not included in your pack due to it being on backorder. Please call the ATF Distrubution Center on a later date to have one sent to you. Sorry for the inconveinence that this has caused.

    So my original reason for posting this thread was because what I was reading on forums on BOUND BOOKS was conflicting to what I was reading in the regs
     
  14. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    Thanks for the link but I belive as long as someone is able to pull out a reg book and tell me Im not abiding by CFR 478.125 (f). Ill just go ahead and purchase a Bound Book from Brownells.

    Better safe than sorry for the few bucks it will cost for a book that will last
    the rest of my life