Bolt Action Rifles.

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Axxe55, Jun 14, 2013.

  1. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i have wanted to start a thread about bolt action rifles for while. i want a thread that we can discuss bolt actions, with photos of your favorites, a discussion with tips and pointers on how to maintain or modify them. tip and tricks on repairing them and where to find parts and accessories for them.

    we can discuss what are some the best features of a particular brand, but no brand bashing. i want this thread to focus on commercially made rifles, sporterized military rifles, target and hunting rifles, and of course custom built bolt actions either you or a gunsmith has built.

    i shoot and own more bolt action rifles than any other type. i enjoy their inherent accuracy, their simplicity and their timeless design.

    hopefully this thread will also help give some much needed information to those who are new to firearms, or those who are new to rifles and want some tips and recommendation on bolt actions in general.

    so lets see how this goes!:D
     
  2. photopro

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    I have two stainless steel bolt action rifles a Ruger 77/22 and a Sako 6.5x55 both are excellent and as you say a simple reliable design which is a joy to use, the satisfying sound of a round being picked up by the bolt and engaging it's like built in expectation !!
     

  3. jjfuller1

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    good idea axxe.

    i run about even with my bolt vs semi collection... however i wish i had more bolts.

    my first was a marlin .22, my second a .win 70 .308. and so on and so forth.

    i love both, as far as features go i think my preferences for them are as follows.

    i prefer:
    the safety inline behind the bolt, not attached to the rear of the bolt.
    thumbhole stock if you can, if not its still shootable.
    at least a 3x9 scope.
    an inside stock mag, not detachable. often the detachable ones need to be played with for proper insertion.
    a sling for the end of the day.

    and accurate of minute-of-deer.
     

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  4. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Got caught up in all the Mosin madness a while back and picked one up for $99. I took it shooting and found that it grouped like a shotgun, (Nearly 10" groups at 100 yds.). I took it home and did a more thorough cleaning in good light and found that the stock was cracked under the receiver. you can also see that the rear area of the stock where the tang sits is uneven and makes for a poor contact area to bed the action. This may have contributed to the cracking in the first place.

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    I took this as an opportunity to try some stock repair techniques and see what kind of accuracy I can wring out of the rifle.

    Here I put some epoxy in the crack and then used some wood clamps to clamp the stock together, then drilled the stock and put ins some brass screws to reenforce the stock and prevent the crack from traveling under recoil.

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    After cutting the screws off close to the stock, I used a fine file to take them flush to the wood.

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    Next I decided to try to take care of the bedding surfaces for the action and the recoil lug area to not only make a secure bed for the action, but to also help make a solid fit that would prevent future cracking. I used JB Weld as my bedding compound and paste wax as my release agent when bedding the action.

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    As long as I had it apart I figured I'd check the barrel channel to see if there were any tight spots for the barrel that could put uneven pressure on the barrel, affecting harmonics and shifts as the barrel would heat up. I slid a piece of paper under the barrel to identify tight areas where the paper would drag, and marked these areas with a pencil. Then I used a deep well socket and some sand paper to locate and smooth out the tight spots. I did this through the barrel channel up to the area about two inches forward of the flare in the barrel near the action, until the paper would travel smoothly down the barrel channel.

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    Some rifles will do ok if the barrel is floated for the full length of the barrel channel, while other like to have some upward pressure in the last couple inches of the barrel channel. Thin cork was used by the Finns when they accurized Mosins and placed in the end of the barrel channel to apply this pressure. The Finns also used metal shims in the tang area and lug area as well as under the trigger guard to provide a bedding surface for the action.
     
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  5. SSGN_Doc

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    After the repair work I took the rifle to the range with several loads to see if I had made any headway, as well as find out if the rifle had an ammo preference.

    Russian Surplus 147 gr light ball ammo. This was the first load fired and is showed that headway had definitely been made.
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    Czech Surplus 147 gr, and the Winchester 180 gr load which is actually made by Sellor and Bellot.
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    Brown Bear "Match" 174 gr
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    So, I went from a rifle shooting 10" to 1-3" groups depending on ammo and shooter. I also found that the rifle did like a pressure pad in the barrel channel for the last inch toward the muzzle. I used buisiness card stock until groups tightened.
     
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  6. SSGN_Doc

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    Sako TRG-S 995 in .30-06

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  7. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    great posts guys! very nice indeed.

    well being as i started this thread, it's only fair that i share as well! it would be rude not to!:eek:

    these are pictures of my Marlin XS7VH in 308. i ordered this rifle with the intentions of making a budget target rifle out of it. it's the third X7 that i bought and had such good results out of the other two, that i decided to do this project.

    i bedded the stock and added weight to where now it weighs in at a little over 13.5 lbs. i modified the one-peice scope base to a two-peice. i polished the trigger parts and have it adjusted to just under 2 lbs. did my own camo paint job and then mounted the Swift Premier 8-32x50 scope. i have been using this rifle to work up some pretty incredible and accurate loads. this rifle is still a work in process and a good learning tool. it's so far has been very rewarding and showing some really good results. enjoy the pictures.
     

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  8. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    here are pictures of a Remingtom M700 in 270 that i picked really cheap at pawn shop a couple of years ago. this rifle was made in 1969 according to the date code. the stock is an aftermarket walnut that when i got it, it looked like it had been painted by someone using a paint brush! i stripped the finish on the stock, and also sanded dow all the checkering as i had no way of saving it due to the finish someone had used in the past. the stock when i finally got it stripped was some beautiful walnut. i glassbedded the stock, cleaned all the metal and used a SS epoxy paint on the barreled action. soaked the trigger assembly in some mineral spirits overnite and then cleaned it very well as it was full of gunk. then adjusted it to just under 3 lbs. mounted a 3-9x40 scope on it and it shoots very accurately. also replaced the buttplate with a Pachmyer recoil pad.
     

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  9. mtnbadger

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    Only ones I have pictures of on my phone are my savage 93R 17HMR, and a R700 sendero 7mm mag.

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  10. jpattersonnh

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    I prefer older bolt guns. Not to say I don't have more modern models, but tend to stick w/ pre 1962. The two "modern" rifles are a Howa 1500 in .308 and a Savage 110 Sierra lite in 7mm Reminton Mag. I am not a fan of big bell scopes,
    42mm is as big as they get on my rifles. One of my favorite hunters in 6.5x55 a 1962 Husqvarna 1900 small ring '98 wears a simple 4x32mm scope. I love the set up and it is a perfect 300 yard rifle. I often set up my rifles with a scope that works well at 1500fpe for the cartridges distance. My .308 is the odd one out in that respect. I used this rifle for 700 yard paper punching and at the time I had a 6-24x40mmAO on it. I changed that out for a 3-12x42mmAO to make it more practical. Still can reach out to 700 yards, but these days I don't shoot distances like that. The oldest bolt rifle I own is a 1907 Carl Gustav M96 in 6.5x55. It is very accurate. As far as suplus rifles it is a toss up between the M96 and M38 Swedes and the Swiss K31 as far as which is more accurate w/ iron sights. I did leave out one newer bolt gun, a CZ527 Varminter in .223 topped w/ a Sightron SII 6.5-20x42mmAO. I love the rifle. It has a CIP chamber so surplus 5.56x45 is no issue. I guess I own about 20 bolt guns, all for different purposes.
     
  11. Jagermeister

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    I own one bolt action rifle. I always trade in my old rifle to help with the cost of a new rifle. A CZ-550 synthetic .308 made in the Czech Republic. The adjustable iron sites came standard. It is a Mauser action of course. It holds five rounds. I top it with the Czech company Meopta Meostar 3-12x56 scope with illuminated dot. I hunt at night and in the daylight. Here is the complete package:

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  12. jpattersonnh

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  13. jpattersonnh

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    I've read on this forum before that bolt guns, or Military bolt guns are antiquated. I'm just not seeing it. I've actually sold all my auto loaders except for 1. OK 2. A pistol caliber carbine and a 12ga. Even when I had auto loaders I shot my bolt guns more often. Would I buy another auto loader, maybe if It really feels right. I'm good with my bolt guns. I have refined my bolt guns over the years so that I've kept the ones that suite my needs. Funny part is they were proven platforms from 1800's technology. All the bolt guns since are based on that same technology. If I ever had to "bug out" I'd be carrying a 1943 M38 Swede in 6.5x55 w/ iron sights. Fast, accurate and I'd own a 400 yard FOV area. The scoped rifles I've posted pics of are all set up for 300..500 yards+, but it is the old school stuff that is the easiest to use and most effective. At least for me.
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  14. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    well said JP! i too have read before that some people think the bolt action is old technology and dated. but i still actually prefer a bolt action over most other rifle designs. i shoot my bolt actions more than the others. i do have other rifle platforms than just bolt actions and i tend to only keep and shoot the ones that appeal to me or have specific usage.

    yes the bolt action is an older design from the late 1800's, but even most modern bolt actions have evolved from that simple design. what would be a curious breakdown would be to see how many of which types of rifles are sold by percentages. personally, i think the bolt action would be a large segment of those sales. and a large majority of custom built hunting rifles are built off the bolt action design.

    personally, i don't see the bolt action riding off into the sunset anytime soon. i know i'll be buying more and they will always be the bulk of my collection for many years to come.
     
  15. jpattersonnh

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    I've always been taught, whether hunting or targets, The 1st round is the most important. Make it count. I find these old world rifles cycle faster and are worth there weight in gold when you really need to depend on something. There is nothing wrong w/ newer bolt guns, don't get me wrong. They just sometimes lack the refinement. My Howa and Savage are testiments to What is done right. Then again, both are based off the '98. The Winchester pre 1964 '70 is a great platform. They took it to the next level. From there they have gone backwards.
     
  16. cottontop

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    I love and own only bolt actions and single shots. In fact, I despise and will never own an autoloader. I have many bolt action rifles and reload for and shoot all of them. I have recently developed a real affection for older Husqvarna sporters built on the M96 small ring Swedish action, and own several. Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that that action is not strong. It is a very strong action and smooth as butter on warm marble.
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  17. therewolf

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    My M44 and '03 are two of my favorite rifles. Very deliberate,

    tough, well made, and for milsurp, accurate.

    I guess the feature I like best is you can drop

    the bolt, and clean the barrel from the chamber

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    Here's a couple of mine. The top one is a Spartan Precision built 260 Rem. for 1000 yard target. The second one is a Remington manufactured 03A3 which was already sporterized when I aquired it.
     
  19. huffmanite

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    Here are a few of my bolt actions. Never cared much for the plastic factory stocks. I just shoot benchrest and make my own wood stocks to suit my shooting needs. Wood used is generally basically scrap wood from old furniture, flooring or maybe even a pallet that I've laminated/pieced together. The first two are a Marlin XS 308 heavy varmit barrel and a Stevens 200 that I had rebarreled to 6.5x55. Third is a M1936 Mexican I had barreled to 300 Savage. The Mexican is made of laminated 3/4" popular boards I found at a local Lowes....had interesting walnut like color in the wood. The first two are made with wood from parquet flooring, oak from either a pallet or old furniture and etc......worked with what I had to use.
     

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    My very favorite rifle I own, a Sako 25-06:
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