Bolt action rifle...

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by hillmillenia, Dec 18, 2010.

  1. hillmillenia

    hillmillenia New Member

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    You know I have been shooting ever since I was 6 or 7 (with my older brothers supervision of course). Back then my brother Bob would drive into the Southern California desert with an old single shot Marlin bolt action 22 rifle. Some my best memories were those days dispatching jack rabbits and the occasional bird that would wander into our air space...Anyways...all these years and many, many rifles, pistols and shotguns and I have never owned a centerfire bolt rifle...Only recently did I fire a friends .243...Oh I have lever and auto-loaders...and now I'm on the hunt...the main criteria is one many will consider limiting but I always insist on military rounds...whether they be out dated or current...I live by this unwritten rule...lot's of reasons and none in particular...I know there are better performers...I also know that .5 MOA or 2MOA won't make any difference to the POA for all practicle applications...so it's .308 or 30-06...I'm looking at the BDL...I really like the looks of the M77 International...that full length stock just looks nice...oh...one other criteria...a rifle must have iron sights...I'll scope it but iron sights is a must...I can't believe they aren't put on all rifles...so I may have just narrowed it down to the 2 I mentioned...there may be a Savage out there somewhere with irons still...so you guys with hands on...what thinks you?...I was out deer hunting with my AR-15 last month and thought I'd like to find something a little more tradtional before next season...
     
  2. Catfish

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    I own or have owned so many different brands of rifles it would take a good while to count them up. I personally want them to shoot better than 1/2 moa, but have a friend like you. When I was telling him his new SKS would probly shoot no better than 4 moa his reply was, That`s good enough to heart shoot a deer at 100 yrds, and most of my shots will be 50 yrds. or less so why would I need better. Any way, THEY ALL WORK. However some are alot smoother and some are just easier to use. I like the Savage action because I can change the barrels on them so easily, but that would mean nothing to you. Really just find a gun you liike and feels good to you and go for it.
     

  3. dteed4094

    dteed4094 New Member

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    If I were to pick according to your criteria my choice would be a nice 1903-A3. That way you are not only shooting a military calibre but a timeless collectable piece of history. with some choice in sights. Just MHO.
     
  4. hillmillenia

    hillmillenia New Member

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    :D Thanks guys...I guess I asked for that! don't get me wrong...I fully appreciate extreme accuracy and have friends that have built 10 thousand dollar rifles and mic every hand loaded bullet...I also realize that .5 moa at 100 yards will translate into 5 inches at 1000...my point was most of the shooting I would do with this rifle will be 50 to 300 yards average deer hunting distance...the caliber thing is personal as are the iron sights...In most case my reliance on a scope would be fine...call it a quirk of experience...either way...the 1903-A3 is a beautiful rifle...kinda heavy...I'm not that hard core though. I did hope for some insightful commentary from them who have used the 3 rifles I mentioned...I supose I should learn to get to the point without all the color and fill...:rolleyes:
     
  5. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I dont believe Savage has any cf rifles in current production with irons. CZ has a couple in 30-06 in the 550 series. The CZ rifles come with set trigger and are extremely nice and noted for accuracy. Pricey though. The last Ruger bolt I bought had a verticle stringing problem and I had to have it floated. Sub moa after that.
     
  6. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    the cz550 is VERY nice ive got one chambered in 458LOTT its got the set trigger and folding leaf express sights. its a little on the heavy side but the quality s superb. the 550's turn up at gunshows now and then and pawn shops and used racks in gun stores. very nice undervalued rifles. i got mine at a gunshow practically unfired the guy didnt like the recoil gave him 500$ for it.
     
  7. jpattersonnh

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    You really should look at the CZ 550FS. Amazing rifle. You should also look at 6.5x55, it is a former Military caliber.
    Pro of the CZ, it is a true Mauser controlled feed action, Single set trigger, Made like nothing else.
    Con of the Ruger, They are hit or miss in the accuracy department.
    Pro of 6.5x55, Low recoil, Super accurate, W/ the High BC and SD of the bullet it has great killing ability. A 140gr 6.5x55 will match or exceed a 180gr .30-06 w/ 1/2 the felt recoil.
    It can be loaded from 85gr to 160gr. I find that 100...140gr fits the bill for everything from woodchucks to Elk.

    I also have iron sight on most of my hunters, I require it also.

    You also may want to think about an old Swedish, FN, or Mauser hunter. You can find them chambered in 6.5x55, 8x57, .30-06. If you find one for under $400.00, grab it. I bought a Husqvarna 1600 a few years ago. Paid $325.00 for it. I just saw a few, the same rifle, $795.00. My Husqvarna 640 (built on a FN 1947 '98 receiver, 1 of 10,000 from 1947 to 1962) in 8x57, that I paid $275.00 w/ the original short side rail scope mount sells for $895.00 without the mount.
    If you want a true Military gun/caliber, take a hard look at the K31 Swiss. The 7.5x55 pre-dates the .308/ 7.62x51 by 60 years and is almost its equal. I put a St. Marie side mount on one of mine and sold it a year later as the scope gave no advantage up to 300 yards. You can still find K31's for under $300.00.
     
  8. dteed4094

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    Remington 700. Has it all in the caliber you want. Mine is a 243 and shoots .385 MOA for me, a 62 year old half blind old man. It's pretty,accurate, affordable and well proven in all respects including safety.
     
  9. nate

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    Mauser k98 8x57. Start with that and build what you want/need.
     
  10. jpattersonnh

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    The problem w/ using a K98, is they cost more than most new rifles that are available.
    I agree w/ 8x57. I would recommend a Czech VZ24, Yugo 24/47 as a cheaper alternative. Both are exceptional shooters also.
     
  11. nate

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    I must have got a heck of a deal on mine. $175 for a numbers matching k98 mil-surp rifle still packed full of cosmolene. $275 for the barrel(22-250) $90 for the Ross thumbhole stock $50 for a trigger. Shoots better than my buddies $1200 savage.
     
  12. jpattersonnh

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    Not to hijack this thread, but you got a great deal. Even Russian capture rifles go for $300.00...450.00 these days. Original matching K98's go for 600.00+++
     
  13. hillmillenia

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    Interesting direction...I have been looking at that Chech V24 at AIM and 8mm is quite sufficient as is but really, and if I wanted an old military bolt gun the Mosin Nagant at $80 in 7.65X54R will drop anything in NA though I don't know how "modifyable" it is...but I couldn't bring myself to do that to any military rifle...No I am leaning towards the Rem 700 or the Ruger M77 as for new...and having sights installed on say a Win mod.70 wouldn't be to awlful difficult...I do want to stay American made...but the CZ's are beautiful without a doubt...America...300 million infidels supplying the needs of a pissed off world! :D
     
  14. JonM

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    my win mod 70 super express came with sights. but its chambered for 458winmag. its a very good hunting rifle and very versitile. at least if you reload. i think they call em safari express now. i think they dropped the super grade and some of the better quality lines of rifles. most of the rifles that come with sights and bolt action are african big game type rifles and north american bigger game rifles. my old mod 70 338 winmag also had open sights.

    the cz550 express sights are vastly superior to the winchester sights. the winchesters are very similar to the ruger 10/22 sight. pretty useless by and large.

    my winchester is a gorgeous rifle but they dont make em like that anymore. winchester and remington quality has slid quite a bit over the years. the finishes and wood just isnt as pretty as it used to be.