Bolt action or Sport Utility Rifle: WHICH TO BUY??

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by metal408, Nov 19, 2012.

  1. metal408

    metal408 New Member

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    So I've been looking into getting a rifle as my next fire arm purchase. Then question I have is what kind of rifle to get. I know it all depends on what you're going to do and use it for. A buddy keeps nudging me towards an AR or M1A type of rifle .223 says I can scope the m1 for the distance shooting if I want and it'd be a fun mid range weapon as well. I was leaning towards a bolt action .308/ 30-06 I've always dreamed of hearing that loud satisfying ping while being prone a couple 100 yards away if you know what I mean. So I decided to ask you guys. I already have myself an SR40 and mossberg 500 so I'm looking for an nice addition. If I I'd go assault rifle I'd probably like an m1a socom, bolt action mossberg atr 100 night train. Any input greatly appreciated!
     
  2. metal408

    metal408 New Member

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    Not much of a hunter, never been but am toying with the idea. Also from California, mostly would like a fun range gun.
     

  3. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Active Member

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    Sport Utility Rifle or bolt action? Only you should choose how to spend your money.

    You can shoot roughly twice as much 223 as 308/30:06 for about the same cost.
     
  4. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    welcome to the forum and stop over in the introductions section and say hello.

    first off, many of the members here, myself included, really detest the word, "assault rifle" or "assault weapon". those are gun hating, liberal and media contrived terms.

    second you need to assess what your needs and wants are in a rifle. if your experiance is very limited, i would suggest starting with a rimfire 22 to learn the basics of rifle shooting. shooting a rifle is much different than shooting pistols or shotguns. if you have some experiance, then an assessment of the intended use for the rifle is in order. then you need to figure out how much you would like to spend, or are able to.

    the AR or M1A are totally different platforms than a bolt action rifle. as much as i like my AR, i am more of a bolt action type person, so therefor i own quite a few more of them. you need to find out what your needs are and not what your friend thinks you need. after all it's going to be your rifle, not his. let him choose what he wants for himself.
     
  5. dwmiller

    dwmiller Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I like the old ww1-2 bolt actions myself. 1903 springfield is a blast to shoot. I also have smle. 303 brit and 96 mauser 7mm from the same era. You can't go wrong with any of these and they will never loose value.
     
  6. SSGN_Doc

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    Since you live in California and the closest thing to a real AR that you can own would be neutered or bastardized version I would lean toward a good bolt gun. At least you can have one in a original configuration.

    M1A would be the next choice, but even that would be stripped of some features.
     
  7. metal408

    metal408 New Member

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    Please excuse my French. The one thing that appeals to me most about a bolt action platform over a semi auto is the idea of having to calculate and plan and get into that shot; really be a part of the rifle. But the other thing is, the price of ammo..I do love shooting my .40 but when it's time to anti up at the range I really sort of wish I bought the 9mm if you feel what I'm sayin'
     
  8. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    You could get a bolt gun in .223 and it would be more affoardable and still offer you lots of entertainment at the range.
     
  9. metal408

    metal408 New Member

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    Excellent point, as close as they look it'll still never be fully automatic :'(
     
  10. Old_Crow

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    The 30/06 isn't that expensive to shoot if you are willing to shoot steel case ammo or milsurp. The 30/06 is physically demanding. If you get an ill fitting gun it hurts. On the other hand, the 5.56 is a joy to shoot but it really has no practical use in my world. I have two AR-15's neither of them have killed anything but golf balls.

    Landowners don't want me shooting them on their property for predator control. Groups of hunters aren't to keen on people with AR-15's. Quite often things get tight and a high velocity round makes no one happy. They are OK with pistol caliber carbines and shotguns. When you are working so close you can hear each other whistling an AR is a royal pain.

    The 5.56 isn't suitable for hunting large game. It kills deer but it doesn't leave a blood trail to find the deer. It lacks knock down power that slugs and larger rifles posses. Even when I make a poor shot with a slug or 30/06 the deer is very near where I shot it.
     
  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    then if you are more drawn to a bolt action, then that's probably what you need to look for. sounds to me it's going to more of a range rifle than a hunting rifle. first decide how much you want to spend and what caliber. a good caliber in bolt action is the 308 or the 30-06. very ample selection of factory ammo for those two cartridges and some can be very, very accurate.

    some good suggestions on rifles, would be the Remington M700, the Ruger M77, the Winchester M70, the Marlin XL7 or XS7, the Savage bolt actions, the Howa 1500 and many others.

    there are other calibers that you could choose that would serve your needs for a target rifle, but some would be cost prohibitive to shoot quite a bit, unless you take up reloading.
     
  12. Pasquanel

    Pasquanel Proud to be an American Supporter

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    Just get both and you'll be truly happy!
     
  13. collector_rob

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    For 1/2 the price of an M1A you can get a Service grade M1 Garand from the CMP. Lots of ammo available and no evil features to upset the California powers that be. Plus you will have a piece of history to hand down.
     
  14. dks7895

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    I would go with a .223 bolt action rifle. This will be a pleasure to shoot at the range all day and reach out several hundred yards. Ammo is cheap too. Take a look at the Marlin X7 line.
     
  15. rhyno13

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    Personally I would get a great bolt action.
     
  16. Werminator

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    This question is a bit like ATV or dirt bike. To me they both bring their own levels of total fun and even though they both get me from A to B accross most of the same terrain there is distinct uses for each that the other can not accomplish. Semis are fun because you can run shots off like its going out of style. Bolt actions make you challenge your self to absolute precision and give you the feeling of "playing a sniper" so to speak. If it were me, I would get one of each in .22lr... Not adequate for any large game but super cost effective at the target range, easy on your shoulder, and in most cases I don't even feel the need to wear ear protection. If you really want a centerfire option there are a ton of them out there. Old milsurp weapons may be cheap enough for you to buy one of each... Given that you are in Kali, there are many limits to ownership of modern tactical type rifles anyway. Maybe you pick up an SKS and a Mosin, Arisaka, Enfield, K98, or any number of other bolt action rifles and you then have the option for either one (or both!) on range day. I personally really enjoy shooting my Norinco SKS more than any other gun I own and the ammo is reasonably cheap. Even if you bought a couple of these types of weapons, you may still have a good amount of money left over to feed them!
     
  17. Jpyle

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    Get one of the original bolt action military rifles...notice I didn't say assault rifle...a Mosin Nagant 91/30. Best $130.00 you'll ever spend while keeping your clothes on and the ammo is dirt cheap at about $90 per 440 rounds.
     
  18. Sniper03

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    Metal,

    If you are planning on using for hunting like deer? Since it is going to evidently be your first high power and you mentioned shooting some distance with it, as much as I like the M1-A Rifles and AR Rifles. I would probably recommend a good bolt rifle in 308. They are not expensive but you need to buy a good quality scope for whatever you buy. So something like a Savage 110 Tactical, Remington 700 PSS Rifle in 308 would be good for application of precision shooting and hunting capabilities. Obviously the 5.56/223 is more reasonable on ammunition cost but a little limited on hunting especially medium sized game. The ARs are great for fun and are very accurate! Not a bad choice just limited for certain uses.

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  19. metal408

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    Damn, thanks everybody for all the great info and insight. Really bringing to light a lot of good points that i couldnt account for with my limited knowledge so I really appreciate it. I'm starting to lean towards a .223 bolt action but if so, what kind of game would this particular rifle be suitable for? If not the .223 then the .308 but certainly a bolt action for the next purchase!
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2012
  20. Mosin

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    I'd save up for a nice AR, then use the money to leave California.

    If you have to stay, get a bolt gun. Kommiefornia sporterized guns are a travesty to humanity in itself.