Bolt action or non bolt action.

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by HomieDontUKnowMe, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. HomieDontUKnowMe

    HomieDontUKnowMe New Member

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    Whats a better long range shooter, a bolt action or a non bolt action? whats the + and - to them both?

    Are bolt action rifles alot? I want to get a 10/22 for my first ever gun but i really like bolt action rifles.

    What i want a gun for is shooting ranges and targets, not a hunter or plan on ever hunting. for a first gun and a long range shooter should i stick with a 10/22 or should i look for a bolt action?
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Well, you have a lot of questions and none of them tie together I am afraid.

    The 10/22 is an EXCELLENT rifle and I do believe that everyone should have one. They are fun, cheap to feed and you can get a ton of practice out of one without much upkeep.

    However -

    Anytime you are talking about "long range" the boltgun will always be a superior platform to a semi automatic platform if both weapons are equal in level of construction.

    Furthering the trend, a magazine fed boltgun is not as accurate as a single shot, due to a lot of factors.

    If you want proof of this, take a look at ANY benchrest shooter's organization. You will see a ton of custom built, single shot action, custom barrel and stock rifles.

    Please feel free to ask further questions as your initial post is kind of across the board.

    JD
     

  3. HomieDontUKnowMe

    HomieDontUKnowMe New Member

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    I ask alot of questions, I'm so amazed by what guns can do so when i got another question i asked cause i want to learn everything i can.

    Is there any good beginner bolt action rifles for long range shooting? or would i be best off going with the 10/22 getting practice then moving to a more powerful rifle for long range shooting?

    Going with a good rifle for long range or going with a 10/22 for practice then moving on, whats a good rifle to start with for long range shooting?

    sorry for posting threads all around, ill stop on that and thanks for being awesome and helping me out on every question i have had and being awesome about it. really appreciated!
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    You are going to have to define some terms. Let's start with "long range". The .22 LR cartridge has adequate accuracy to about 100 yards. Beyond that, it drops like a rock. To some folks, "long range" shooting is measured in zip codes. If you are looking for 300-600 yards, a 10-22 ain't gonna cut the mustard.

    In general, the bolt gun will be more accurate than an autoloader. There are exceptions. For prices, go visit some of the gun shops, bass pro shops, or visit auctionarms.com, and search for COMPLETED AUCTIONS last 90 days. Look at the ones with bids, not the pipedreamers.

    Another term to define, as we have discussed- what is accuracy to you? Being able to hit a Coke can at 50 yards- or put 5 bullets in one hole at 100- or a 1 inch shot group at 300 yards?

    Just a suggestion- get yourself a good, used Marlin bolt action .22 rifle, like the Model 81 (there are MANY others) add a decent 3-9x40 scope- start working on your 50 yard marksmanship. You can probably swing the rifle and scope for about $200. Once you have that down, THEN start exploring other rifles and optics. One aspect of the bolt gun- you will spend a bit more time working on your aim than you will spend reloading the rapid fire autoloader.

    PS- lighten up on the caffeine. :}
     
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  5. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    In my opinion, there is NO "beginner" long range rifle. Long Range shooting is HANDS DOWN the hardest thing I have ever done.

    If you are serious about learning LONG RANGE shooting, I would recommend the following:

    Buy a good, to very good, BOLT ACTION .22LR rifle.

    Look at each round you put into it at $0.50 per round, even though you paid a ton less. ;)

    Shoot at 50/100/150 yards and work on getting your groups of 3 or 5 rounds as SMALL as you can possibly achieve.

    When the VERY FIRST group you shoot at 50 yards, is LARGER than your BEST group at 150 yards: Smile :p, buy yourself a nice steak and think about UPGRADING to a centerfire rifle as you have achieved the understanding of the BASICS of "long range" shooting.

    JD
     
  6. Highpower

    Highpower New Member

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    I agree wholeheartedly with both of these gentleman's advice.

    A good bolt action .22LR rifle will give you all the feedback you need to learn real rifle markmanship. If you can shoot a .22 well at 50 - 100 yards, you won't have any problem at all transitioning to a center fire rifle down the road.

    And don't think they are just for "kids". Old men get pretty serious about their .22's sometimes. :cool:

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  7. HomieDontUKnowMe

    HomieDontUKnowMe New Member

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    haha lay off the caffeine good tip. Thanks for the tip for long range shooting, this will be the last thread i make asking a question cause im kinda blowing the forum up and i do apologise for that. always very appreciated on being so cool with the help! my 21st bday is oct 23 and i will be purchasing my first rifle and will be going to the range to see how i do! Ill post up when i get done.

    Ok one last question lol. can someone name me a couple good/great .22 bolt actions for the 50/100/150 ranges.
     
  8. Biohazard2

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    Google is your friend.
     
  9. HomieDontUKnowMe

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    So i went and looked at marlins, i found this Marlin 17HMR BOLT HB 4&7 RD THS i like how the stock has the thumb hole and its something i could afford and be happy spending that much. is it a good choice, anyone had any experiance with it?
     
  10. jpattersonnh

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    If you are referring to the 917V, then yes I have one. Very accurate rifle, but you will pay between $9.00 and 13.00 per 50 rounds of ammo. You can buy a brick of decent .22lr ammo for $28.00 per 500. A .22 is very cheap to feed.
    This would be the place to start! Marlin 925 22LR BOLT $186.00 SHIPS FREE
    A simple Bushnell 4x32 or 3-9x32 rimfire scope would be perfect, both are under $45.00
     
  11. cpttango30

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    I am going to slightly disagree with you on this point. I know I don't do this often but I am going to this time.

    I would consider a Savage F-class and F-TR to be beginner long range rifles. They are expensive to a point $1k + optics. But they are far less than full on custom builds.
     
  12. 007BondJamesBond007

    007BondJamesBond007 New Member

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    This is an example of a high quality target 22.


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  13. HomieDontUKnowMe

    HomieDontUKnowMe New Member

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    Savage F-class is a really cool gun but being my firstever gun im not dropping no 1k on it. i think im just going to go with the 10/22 and later move on to other thing
     
  14. Highpower

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    Have you looked at a 77/22 yet?
     
  15. HomieDontUKnowMe

    HomieDontUKnowMe New Member

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    i have not looked at a 77/22 but i will now. for the people that have custom long range shooters what guns do they start out with then upgrade? Is there any nice long range shooters i could buy and upgrade down the line tomake thema great long ranger shooter?
     
  16. jpattersonnh

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    .22lr limits your distance. By upgrading if you intended to say Buy new parts to make it shoot straight, then the 10/22 is for you. I tend to find them a money pit. That is just my humble opinion. There are guys that have dumped hundreds upon hundreds to do the same job as other rifles do out of the box. I have a Marlin 60 that I have had for years with 10's of thousands of bullets down the tube. Still very accurate and 100% reliable. Lousy accuracy leads to frustration. Frustration leads to spending more $. Do some research and buy smart the 1st time. Even the ruger 77/22 has issues. A good friend has a 77/22 in .22Hornet. He has had some serious work done to make it shoot consistantly. The 2 peice bolt is a bad idea. I hope you find what you are looking for. Maybe an old target gun would work well. A Mossberg Model 44 is a great rifle and can be had for $225.00 or less in great shape.
     
  17. mrm14

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    If your just starting out with rifles, then for accuracy, I'd say go with a bolt action .22. You'll do well with one of these while in your "training phase" of rifle marksmanship. .22 ammo is cheap which should afford you alot of practice time before you jump up to a center fire bolt action. What you learn with a .22 bolt action you'll be able to take most of that with you when you get into centerfire bolt actions.

    As far as semi auto rifles go, I've seen several centerfire semi autos group amazingly tight at 100 yards but have never, at least not yet, seen one repeatedly put holes in holes at 100 yards. With a .22 rimfire you will be limited to about 75 yards when it comes to it's limits of accuracy but with practice and trigger time you'll find that at 50 yards your accuracy and grouping can become fairly tight. IMO, it's at this time that you think about upgrading to a centerfire bolt action.

    You could get a bolt action centerfire now. Possibly in .308 caliber. Possibly a Remington new or used R-5 or equilivant. Quality target ammo will cost at or near $40.00 a box of 20 for .308 Win.. You'll probably want to change out the stock which will cost a few hunderd dollars, and while your at it you may want to have it bedded as well, add another $100.00 or so dollars. Then there is that trigger that just dont feel right, so you end up upgrading to a Jewell or Timney trigger, add another $200.00 or so. And of course theres that possibly near worn out barrel that you just have to change out, add another $300.00 dollars or so for that.

    See where I'm going with this? And I havn't talked about scopes yet:D

    This long range stuff can get very spendy and very quick. So again, IMO start out with a fair to good quality .22 bolt action, acquire your skills, and then carry on to a centerfire when most of what you have to learn has been done cheaply with a .22 rimfire rifle.

    Welll there's my 2 cents worth.:D
     
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