body armor

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by molonlabexx, Jul 24, 2013.

  1. molonlabexx

    molonlabexx New Member

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    Hey folks. I bought a plate carrier and two level 3 10"X12" plates off eBay for around $250. The steel is ar500. It is custom made but checked out the seller who has well over 1,000 A+ ratings. I have always wanted body armor but how do you guys think of this? Is it practical? What would YOU use it for? Obviously I am not going to go walking around the grocery store with it but what situations would it be good for? Tornadoes? Thanks and as always , I am trying to learn more of what others use similar gear for to apply to my own systems.

    The plate carrier is off brand and some stitching seems like it will fail but 90%, including the drag handle, seems good. The armor is not from ar500armor.com who seems like the best company to get ar 500 from which was originally what I thought I was getting from the eBay seller. But the armor is NIJ certified, hopefully they are not making that up but like I said, the reviews are great.
     
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  2. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Armor is necessary protection in certain situations. I would avoid those situations.
     

  3. gunnut07

    gunnut07 New Member

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    If I need body armor to be somewhere that is somewhere I don't need to be. Like Chicago.
     
  4. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    I cant think of any normal usefor it other than taking a walking tour of washington dc new york city or chitcago.

    The deal sounds sketchy to me
     
  5. molonlabexx

    molonlabexx New Member

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    Well this stuff can't be concealed (the plates "can" but not really designed and you would have to find a small vest. It is steel. And I don't go to liberal states :) but if I ever did...
     
  6. DFlynt

    DFlynt New Member

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    The real question here is are you willing to bet your life on body armor you bought from an unknown individual on Ebay?
     
  7. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Let's presume for a second that there's nothing wrong with the steel and that the plates have been NIJ rated and tested.

    I've never heard of NIJ IIIA plates. I'm not saying they don't exist, I've just never heard of that. I have heard of NIJ III plates (steel, titanium, ceramic, UHMWPE, and plates that are III rated with a soft armor backing).

    So, these are my questions:

    What were you attempting to stop with the plates? Handgun ammunition or rifle ammunition?

    Are your plates NIJ rated? Did you ask to see any paperwork before your purchase?

    Do you have a spall liner for your plates? Steel and to a lesser extent titanium both have a tendency for pieces of the plate to become secondary missiles when struck with a high velocity rifle round. So, do you have kevlar behind the plates if you intended to defeat rifle ammunition?

    Why didn't you spend an extra $100 or so and get ceramic if you were trying to defeat rifle rounds? Steel is pretty heavy for its protective qualities and it's a really good idea to have a spall liner, which would add another $50-$100 or so depending on the make of the kevlar.

    Can you return it and spend an extra $100 for ceramic standalone plates? Like most everything else in life, you get what you pay for. If that's all you can really afford, then steel is better than nothing, but if you have even a little more funds to allocate, ceramic or UHMWPE would be the way to go. UHMWPE (ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene; basically, really dense plastic) is quite a bit bulkier, but the lightest and most expensive of all available options.

    All materials have drawbacks:

    Steel and titanium - spalling can occur with high velocity hits
    Ceramic - rough handling or drops can crack the plates
    UHMWPE - can't be left in the trunk of a car or anywhere it might get baked or melted

    I wear a woven twaron vest, as opposed to laminated (which have the same heat sensitivity problems as UHMWPE), which is just a thinner and lighter para-aramid fiber like kevlar. It's rated to III-A, which means it won't defeat any exotic high-velocity pistol ammunition or any rifle ammunition but it will stop common handgun ammunition.
     
  8. Kdub

    Kdub New Member

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    Why do you need/want armor?
     
  9. Jstrong

    Jstrong New Member

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    I have a level IIIA Kevlar vest,only because I got it for a smoking deal though,couldn't pass it up.
     
  10. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    Interesting , If you dont know what to use it for then you probably shouldnt have bought it . Tornados ? NO . I dont know if you have it yet or not but I will tell you loaded up with 6 full mags and 4 coated plates its not going to be light , Your not going to run around like a track star . At the bare minimum mine weighs in at 38# vest, plates and 6 full mags . I use the carrier when I go to classes with usually just 4 mags , no plates . Its hot and not the most comfortable piece of equipment I own . Will I ever need the plates ? Maybe, as a requirement for a class is possible . But just out as a civi in the public , I hope I never need them that way because if one ever does its not going to be a environment I would want to be in . EVER !!!!!
     
  11. Jagermeister

    Jagermeister New Member

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    I heard about armored backpacks for kids after the last school shooting. Anybody seen these? What is the material? How much are they?
     
  12. c3shooter

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  13. Jagermeister

    Jagermeister New Member

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    Thank you for checking. The price is not so bad though for a set. I wonder if youtube has some testing video. Very curious....
     
  14. Jagermeister

    Jagermeister New Member

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    Only handgun rounds. No on the .223.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zcCIbEFv4U[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDSrv8XWJfE[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE_LKDiMRXA[/ame]
     
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  15. rurak

    rurak New Member

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    Try wearing your armor to the airport :)
     
  16. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I wear it because it's better than getting shot. It won't work in all situations and it doesn't offer invulnerability, but most people who are shot are shot with handguns and most of those who die from being shot with a handgun simply bleed to death. I'm not sure why other people might wear it, but that's why I do it. Even if you choose never to carry a weapon of any kind, it makes sense in a nation with more guns than people and the highest rate of incarceration in the western world.
     
  17. hoovco

    hoovco New Member

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    Posts like these make me LOL.
     
  18. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    You gotta find a better strip club to hang at.

    As always, bear testing is suggested; hang it around the bear's balls.
     
  19. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    First off, in non-combat situations, armor has limited value unless it's concealed. (you just shoot for the head or abdomen.)

    Plate carriers are good for military and SWAT team use only.

    I've worn level 3 and 3A, without plates) for an entire watch, and it's miserable. Heavy, hard to conceal, and hotter than hell.

    Level 3 will stop handgun bullets including .44 magnum. Level 2 will stop 95 percent of handgun rounds, and is the choice of many older, experienced officers. These are Kevlar.

    Plate vests, that will defeat .223 and .308 are Kevlar with steel or ceramic plates, in pockets . They can weigh 25 lbs of more, and are impossible to conceal.

    Good "tests" of body armor. if it costs less than about $750 (or more) new, pass on it. The good stuff isn't cheap. If you can't conceal it under a loose fitting shirt, pass on it.

    If you're not military or LE, stay out of areas where you might need it.;)
     
  20. molonlabexx

    molonlabexx New Member

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    UPDATE: my bad the armor IS NIJ TESTED LEVEL THREE. NOT LEVEL THREE A

    Like I said, the buyer had 99.6% feedback and all they do is sell armor.