black tip ammo

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by Ultimate_sig, Feb 6, 2013.

  1. Ultimate_sig

    Ultimate_sig New Member

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    Antone here ever hear of 72 grain ap m249. This came up in a trade and ive never heard of it. Whats it worth
     
  2. lbwar15

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    Caution: beware of painted tips.
     

  3. Ultimate_sig

    Ultimate_sig New Member

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    How can i verify them
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    sorry- I am a little confused- do you mean ammo FOR an M249? Because I have not heard of an M249 cartridge.

    The black tipped 5.56 NATO cartridge is the M995, and the bullet weighs 52 grains. They can be checked with a magnet (steel core). The SS109 was also steel cored. Do not recall any NATO ammo being 74 grains.

    Some data for you-
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56×45mm_NATO#Military_cartridge_types
     
  5. Ultimate_sig

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    It could be that one. Ive nwver seen those are they rare, worth anything
     
  6. lbwar15

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    Well the M249 is a gun not a cartridge like C3 said. So that's a red flag.

    Black tip= AP

    The only AP ammo I am aware of that can be privately owned is the M2 AP 30-06. And they don't even make it anymore. Red flag

    Any AP ammo will have magnetic characteristics. If the ammo you are talking about dose not attract a magnet red flag.

    And above all. When in doubt trust in C3. The man knows more about any gun or ammo than the people that created them.
     
  7. lbwar15

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    The 5.56 NATO? No not rare.
     
  8. Ultimate_sig

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    Yea, he said m249 and i knew that was a mg ao i thiught that was op. I dont even want to mess with it if i cant privately own it. Thanks for the advice. Always when in doubt i ask you folks
     
  9. c3shooter

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    Their are Federal restrictions on MAKING or IMPORTING AP PISTOL ammo. None on selling it that I know of. And just about any rifle ammo will punch soft body armor- it was made to stop handgun ammo.

    Frankly, I don't think seller has a clue what he has, and I tend to shy away from a lot of those folks.
     
  10. Ultimate_sig

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    True too many red flags and the troubles not worth the cool factor.
     
  11. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Pull a bullet and weigh it. If it's 52 grain AP, you have some excellent ammo, and there is no law stopping you from owning or shooting it.
     
  12. FullautoUSA

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    Can you buy any steel tipped ammo?
     
  13. c3shooter

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    Actually, the 5.56 green tip is a steel cone that is inside the jacket metal, and ahead of the lead core. No steel on the outside at the tip. And yes, you can buy it.

    5.56 green tip.jpg
     
  14. lbwar15

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    Hey c3. Why is there lake city and federal M855? I thank I have heard one company owns the other or something like that. But why do I see some M855 aka NATO green tip say fed and some say LC?
     
  15. Ultimate_sig

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    I have lots of those, read somewhere that the black tips are stronger but i have no knowledge of this being true
     
  16. c3shooter

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    LC is Lake City Ammuntion Plant. a govt facility. Operated by a civilian company for the military, and they sell their excess production. Federal is a private company, running their own plant.
     
  17. lbwar15

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    So is there any difference between the 2. Other than the box and the head stamp.
     
  18. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    No.

    Lake City is run for the Army by Federal.

    You will also see WCC head stamps. Winchester Cartridge Co.

    And RA. Remington Arms
     
  19. robocop10mm

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    M-855 is simply a designation the military puts on the 62 gr enhanced penetration ammo. Various suppliers make it. Just like "M-16" is a designation for a particular rifle. It has been made by several suppliers.
     
  20. FullautoUSA

    FullautoUSA Welcoming Committee/ Resident Pellet Gunner Lifetime Supporter

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    So it's kind of like the name for a specific model, such as how we have AR's but we have specific models of AR's, like M&P15