Black Talon

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by Silvertip 44, Jul 17, 2011.

  1. Silvertip 44

    Silvertip 44 New Member

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    What was the real reason for discontinuing the manufacture of the Black Talon? Was it considered racist?
     
  2. Firearms4ever

    Firearms4ever New Member

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    Racism was the real reason it was discontinued. Basically with all the media hype on corporate racism they had to discontinue it.
     

  3. Firearms4ever

    Firearms4ever New Member

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    That and from what I've discovered (brief research) there was some sort of lawsuit involved with a shooting involving the Black Talon.
     
  4. Dragonheart

    Dragonheart New Member

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    It was once again the poorly informed, rabid, liberal media that went after Winchester for creating a bullet that caused unbelievable destruction and sure death upon it's use. Maybe the bullet itself being black didn't help because it surly was evil. We all know the bad guys wear the black hats.

    Actually, the Black Talon it was just a good hollow point bullet driven at a high velocity that mushroomed like a hollow point bullet is supposed to do. The irony is Remington had made an almost identical copper jacketed HP bullet and was selling them to hand-loaders without anyone taking notice. I tested several of these hollow points in wet packs and although the Talon was an excellent off the shelf round I could get the same performance handloading the Remington's for a lot less money. Cheap enough that I could afford to practice with the same round that I was carrying.
     
  5. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    Funny you mention that.

    The black talon was subsonic in most loadings except 357 and 44.

    The ranger t series is the same projectile minus that evil black moly coating. You know the one. It allowed 147 gr subsonic hollow points to race through Kevlar;)

    Now, there was one 9mm load, not named black talon, but rather Ranger, that was marketed to LE and military at the time. The same moly coated projectile loaded in nickel plated cases. 127gr +p+ it is an awesome load. I have them in my carry gun now.
     
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  6. armsmaster270

    armsmaster270 New Member

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    Your talking about Winchester Ranger 127gr SXT # RA9SXTP I have boxes of them that were issued me. They came in brass cases also.
     
  7. stick_man

    stick_man New Member

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    After the shooting in San Francisco, the anti's dubbed the Talon a "cop killer" bullet because of it's abilities and how, when expanded, it has the wickedly sharp, jagged edges on the petals. They were claimed to be "too lethal". Imagine that! A bullet that actually does what it is designed to do. Who'da thunk it?
     
  8. Dillinger

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    Sweet Jesus! :eek:

    Another Interwebz Mythos in need of deflating.

    The "Black Talon" ammo was manufactured and marketed by Winchester starting in 1991.

    It quickly became THE ROUND to have by everyone, not just the Law Enforcement Community where it was designed, allegedly, to be used.

    Eventually it was used by some ASSHAT who went on a shooting spree and the ammo was "indicted" by the anti-gun community, the media and everyone who wanted to beat the "Anti-2A" drum.

    Some medical "professionals" gave false testimony that the razor sharp barbs COULD puncture their protective gloves and keep in mind this was when AIDS was still a much unknown commodity. So Anti-AIDS was against the Black Talon, which was HUGE at the time.

    A lawsuit was filed, some money changed hands, and Winchester pulled the ultra evil "Black Talon" ammo from the market around late 1993.

    It was later altered in color and remarked as the Ranger SXT, which is a fine self defense ammo that I personally love (and use).

    No. It was NOT removed from the market due to racism. :rolleyes:

    A little reading and studying of history is time WELL spent. ;)

    JD
     
  9. Firearms4ever

    Firearms4ever New Member

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    Thanks for the clarification JD :). I probably should've researched the reason for it's pull from the market more, but oh well :eek:.
     
  10. JJSLNTKLR

    JJSLNTKLR New Member

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    and we all know what SXT stands for right???

    Same eXact Thing!! or so as it is commonly referred by:rolleyes:
     
  11. LN2T99

    LN2T99 New Member

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    IIRC Collin Ferguson of the LIRR shooting used Black Talons. Of course he was the one that shot and killed Carolyn Macarthys Husband and wounded her son.

    Before the shooting she was not a congresswoman or activist. Since then she was working on getting rid of "barrel shrouds" though.
    [ame=http://youtu.be/ospNRk2uM3U]‪Carolyn McCarthy‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

    I was of course a terrible event. I lived in the town and know some of the passengers. Was even passed by what seemed like the entire Local and county PD lights and sirens blaring heading to the scene while I was about 400yds from the train stop that night....

    The crusade she started is just so ill-informed and nonsensical that she just grates me in every way.

    From Wiki ... I bolded the text

     
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  12. NativH

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    Love the 230 gr +p SXT Ranger in my Ed Brown 5". Extremely accurate and hits hard. What's not to like.