Birdshot vs Buckshot

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by glockfire, May 4, 2008.

  1. glockfire

    glockfire New Member

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    I keep seeing alot of people saying that they use Birdshot for Home defense, which really makes me cringe. Id like everybody to look at these pictures and tell me which one you would rather protect your life with....

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    You see, every projectile acts alone, so even though you fire a bunch at one time, so even if you are firing 100 pellets at a guy, you are only really firing 1 pellet 100 times. So, if you are going to rely on the energy of each projectile, why not rely on 9 rounds of 00 buckshot?
     
  2. Righteous

    Righteous New Member

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    buck shot can penatrate walls and hurt somebody you may not intend to thats why the need for bird shot.
     

  3. glockfire

    glockfire New Member

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    Birdshot creates skin deep wounds that dont penetrate far enough to stop an assailant. He will still be in the fight.
     
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  4. hillbilly68

    hillbilly68 New Member

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    low recoil 00 buck in my wife's 870P :D
     
  5. glockfire

    glockfire New Member

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    Amen brother! Remington Low Recoil LE 00 Buck sits inside my 870 just itchin for a fight.
     
  6. fapprez

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    So what you are saying is, if I shot you with birdshot, you would walk away with nothing more than a tattoo and a need for a box of band-aids? I'm not buying it.

    At best, you are looking at a maximum of 25 feet distance between you and target inside your home. The pattern would be concentrated enough and powerfull enough to do some real damage. Hell, the flash and bang alone would probably send him back out the way he came in.

    Bottom line: If I can drop a duck at a few hundred feet, I can drop an intruder at 20. And with birdshot, you'll still have neighbors to brag to in the morning:)
     
  7. ScottG

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    Here is the result of my own investigation. I shot my twenty gauge loaded with birdshot then buckshot at approximately fifteen feet from the cardboard. The red dots show where the wadding hit.
     

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  8. bkt

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    No question, you want buckshot for home defense. But use your head and consider overpenetration issues. #2 buck is very likely to make an intruder settle down quickly and may be less likely to cause problems for innocents in the next room or house than 00.

    As always, use what you're comfortable with, but consider the effects consequences.
     
  9. glockfire

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    So what you are saying is that a duck is the same as a cornered human male with a gun fighting for his life.... right. Well then, I hope I dont encounter any ducks inside my house. Please, read this article and come to your own conclusion:
    http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/ballistics_shotgun.html


    Also, read this:
     
  10. glockfire

    glockfire New Member

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    This is true for time when penetration is a factor, Id go with #1 Buck though as it seems to work the best in that situation.
     
  11. fapprez

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  12. Righteous

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    I was shot in the back, by a friend no less lol, while hunting with #6 shot at about 20 yards and it was enough to send me to the ground and I aint no little feller, did it keep me down? No it did not, hurt like a muther and went to ER and had pellets dug out of my back, any closer and I believe it would do anybody in.
     
  13. glockfire

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    Nor were you full of adrenaline and trying to survive a gunfight.
     
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  14. jeepcreep927

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    Amen. There is one reason and one reason only that you should EVER use birdshot for defense: because that's all you have. I am sure birdshot would hurt like a bitch, but if you're shooting a person with any gun, you have an obvious, desperate need to STOP and INCAPACITATE them. Relying on pain compliance to deter someone you have determined is enough of a threat to warrant deadly force is a bad idea from both a logical and legal perspective. Sure, at close enough distance an empty wad could feasibly incapacitate someone without the risk of overpenetration, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Buckshot is used in l/e and military shotguns (generally) for a reason, it is the best (again, generally) load for the job.
     
  15. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    In a Home Defense role one should look at the expected ranges you will have to fire. Inside the typical apartment, 20 feet may be a long shot. At 20 feet of less, bird shot will work just fine for MOST intruders. Heavy clothing may be sufficient to stop the shot though. A decent leather jacket would likely stop #7 1/2 shot at 20 feet. It will not stop 00 buck though.

    If you are concerned about overpenetration, consider too the angle of your shot. If you fire from a position of cover (behind the bed) you will be firing at an upward angle. Is overpenetration an issue now?

    Consider also every probable scenario. Will there be a gunfight that lasts longer than 1-2 shots? Will it potentially carry over onto the street (or porch)?

    Perhaps you should consider loading so that the first shot is something like #4 or #6 and the followup shots are buckshot.

    I saw a car burglar got zapped in the back with #4 shot at about 20 yards. Pattern was about 14 inches across. Modified choke. Shot penetrated light clothing, through ribs, heart/lungs and lodged in ribcage on far side of chest cavity. DRT (Dead Right There).

    General rule of thumb for open choke (IC) barrel is 1 inch of spread for every yard from target.
     
  16. dragunovsks

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    Buckshot

    I agree man, i'd go with the buckshot, the bigger the better. I've 00 buck in my pump, i've actually been shot with number 4s before and it didn't penetrate my coveralls (we were rabbit hunting).
     
  17. ShotgunTom

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    I once had the opportunity (or misfortune) to witness the results of a shotgun shooting, the shootee taking a load of #8 shot (1 1/8oz) at about 6 feet in the upper chest from a sawed-off single barrel 12; it bored a half-dollar sized hole clean thru the chest wall and out the back! Based on my experience of shooting thousands of shotshells over the years, it is my opinion that in a situation where a shot would be taken across a room, say a distance of 12-16 feet, I don't think it would make a whole lot of difference what size shot the shell contained; a solid hit would inflict a massive wound. Should the drug crazed fellon be able to get up after that first shot; then shoot him again!
    As for me personally, in the gosh-awful event that I should ever be unfortunate enough to be blasted at relatively close range with a scattergun (far enought away for the pattern to start opening up), I would hope that it would be with buck-shot; and that I would be humanely dispatched. Can you imagine someone trying to find/pick several hundred pellets out of your carcass in the event you survived? But for those who doubt the ability of 4 & 6 shot to kill humans at distances beyond 20/25 yards, let me remind you that such loads routinely kill a few unfortunate hunters every year during turkey season.
    As to home defense, obviously a short barreled pump or semi would be a solid home defense weapon; but even a compact shotgun can be a bit unwieldy for a lady, a fact even more true in a panicked situation. Given that fact, I selected a Charter Arms 44 Special revolver as my wife's home defense weapon. It has a 3" barrel, no hammer spur (to avoid hanging on clothing, etc), is compact, is relatively light, and has no confusing safety for her to worry about. It is loaded with Winchester hollow-points for maximum shock; and all she has to remember is to just pull the trigger.
    Finally for those who prefere a shotgun for home defense, my shot size of choice would be #4 buck. Depending on shell length and load, 18 or more .22 caliber sized pellets are delivered on the target (43 in a 3 1/2" 10-bore!). I have witnessed the effects of #4 buck loads on deer, and it is devastating. Additionally, #4 buck will pattern much better than 00 buck in most shotguns.
    My hope would be that none of us ever have to face down an intruder, but it sure sounds like you guys are ready.
     
  18. Chuck

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    Last night there was an episode of The First 48 that showed an X-Ray of a murder victim shot with bird shot from less than 10 feet. Nearly all of the pellets were in the middle of the chest cavity, including a group of about half of them close together in one of the lungs.
     
  19. fluffo63

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    .im a ole-hunter a blast from a 12 gauge at 25 yards will ne lethal
    the velosity at 25 yards is still holding strong,:D
     
  20. chorst294

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    I'd prefer not to get shot with any shotgun, regardless of shot size. I believe the effectiveness of birdshot depends more on the subjects desire to stay and fight instead of finding the nearest hospital. A good friend of mine was shot in the face with birdshot at close range at which time his handgun was dropped. He was chased back to his patrol car in an attempt to retrieve his shotgun when he was finished off with buckshot to the head. IMO, I don't think the majority of burglars will stick around after getting shot with birdshot, however, I personally prefer the proven stopping power of buckshot. If overpenetration is that much of an issue, why not choose a different type of firearm loaded with Glasers. I'd rather patch one hole in the drywall than several hundred! LOL