Best Value - Firearm Safe

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Dillinger, Apr 1, 2008.

  1. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I am looking at upgrading my firearm safe - the one I got almost 15 years ago was a cheap one and is in NO WAY large enough now. Which is good and bad. :cool:

    I love the Graffunder Gun Vaults - But who the hell can afford them?? Good Lawd those are expensive. :eek:

    So, I am leaning towards Fort Knox - but I haven't made up my mind yet, so I would be interested in hearing what you guys keep your weapons in to protect them.

    My 'smith has a giant Cannon that he swears by, but the Fort Knox rep really made a good sales pitch at the Shot Show, so I am wavering..


    Many Thanks in advance -

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  2. billdeserthills

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    I am a Locksmith/ Gun Dealer and I have 2 of the AMSEC BF Series safes. I( find they are really well made, they are built in the USA (in California) The door is 4 3/4" thick, the walls/ body is 2" thick. I have one model BF6030 (so named cause it measures 59 1/4"highx30"widex26"deep) and at my shop I have the BF7240 which I keep all my handguns in to sell. The biggest one BF7240 weights just over 1,305 lbs. This line of safes is called BF due to it's Burglary and Fire rating.
    The first real safe I bought I still use which is a "C-Rated Safe" that means the door is 1" thick solid steel and the sides/body is 1/2 solid steel. It is plenty heavy duty, just isn't fireproof.
    Don't be fooled when you look at a gun safe, the door thickness is most important in the front, before you get to the bolts, I would want a safe door to be at least a half inch thick solid steel, any thinner and it's just too easy to get into with a 12lb sledge hammer. The extra thickness of most safe doors is merely from the fireproofing material used and that won't keep the burglars out!

    BTW The Amsec BF series are 90 min fire rated, they don't sell a guarantee, they sell the finest quality instead, I believe most every "real" gun safe manufacturer offers free replacement in the event of a fire, what they don't offer is replacement for your valuable belongings!
     
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  3. Righteous

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    Cannon, rated 1200 degrees for 30 min, lifetime warranty, if its ever in a fire or somebody even trys to break in it they will bring it back up to spec free of charge, anything ever happens to lock or anything they fix it free of charge, and will come to your house to do it.
     
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  4. ManlyTexan

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    Great info on gun safel. I'm filxing to apply for a FFL. Thanks for the info.

    Robert
     
  5. gnoll

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  6. Righteous

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    hinges on the outisde the door........ Baddddddddddddddddddddd
    go with cannon lol
     
  7. billdeserthills

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    If you wanna hate the Sportsmans safes, do it cause he won't advertise how thick the steel is in the door (or sides) the fact that a safe has hinges on the outside of the door has no bearing on getting it open. All safes in the last 100 years (or earlier) with hinges outside the door use a hinge pin system, which is built into the back of the door. If you open the door up all the way on most any safe, you will see that when closed, there is a piece of metal that will overlap the hinge side from the inside of the safe or even a row of bolts, many times a thief will try to open a safe by cutting off the hinges, with no result, except that the guy who is later paid to get the door open (by the owner of the safe) now has to watch that the door doesn't fall off when opened!

    see a real safe at:
    www.amsecusa.com
     
  8. Righteous

    Righteous New Member

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    I dont hate them......I just sell cannon ;)
     
  9. billdeserthills

    billdeserthills New Member

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    Doesn't Cannon have a "top of the line" safe? Like with a thick door?
     
  10. Righteous

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    all cannons are top of the line sir :)
     
  11. gnoll

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    all that has been shown here still dont have the fire rating mine dus and the thickness of the door and wall is like the first thing on the page but every one has the right to get what there money can offer
     
  12. billdeserthills

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    Well Gnoll I don't agree, the AMSEC BF Series has a 90 minute fire rating at 2300 degrees, the Sportsman Safe webpage won't even tell you how long the safe is fireproof for, and in addition they won't tell you just how thick the metal is they build their safe out of.
    As far as Cannon goes, their safe might stand up to an even test of the cheapest safe AMSEC builds. AMSEC offers three different strength Gun Safes lines, Not three different safes.
    I bought the AMSEC BF Series safes twice because to get a stronger safe I would have had to pay four times as much and that safe (also made by AMSEC part #7236) weighs 4,000 pounds. As a Locksmith/ Gun Dealer part of my job is to drill open& repair safes. I have drilled many safes including Fort Knox, Cannon and AMSEC. I bought the best because I have a real problem with thieves and I just wanted to buy the best safe out there one time!
    I can also understand if you aren't gonna put $100,000 worth of guns in yours, hey if you want a cheaper safe, well you've seen those. If you wanna save money heck man, just take a trip over to COSTCO, they have a decent safe for under a grand.
     
  13. gnoll

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    "Sportsman Gun Safes with 1" Solid Steel Hardplate, 2300 Degree Ceramic and 2" Jig-Saw Doors are by far the best gun safes in the USA! The fact that we've never had a door broken into in 28 years is ample evidence!


    but i have to say i cant find the amount of time it is rated for on the site it use to say but it is 90 min as well
    and this is piont less so im out
     
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  14. HankStone

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  15. moviezombie

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    very good info at the website. thanks, Hank!

    movie zombie