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Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Skeletor, Oct 4, 2007.
What would be the best home defense rifle to get?
definitely a shotgun. i keep my ak47 handy too though. however, i don't have to worry about innocent bystanders. 30 round magazines are definitely reassuring though.
Do NOT use a rifle for home defense unless it is an absolute last resort. You run a large risk of over penetration which could lead to innocent casualties.
I live in the woods. The nearest house is 4 miles away. I'm more likely to need to kill a cat or bear than I am someone performing a house invasion.
Well generally speaking most people have neighbors, or busy streets, close enough to warrant reserve when using rifles for home defense. We aren't all as lucky as you
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Home defence rifle
As these guy's pointed out nothing out performes a shotgun for obvious reasons, but since you are a special case and live out in the sticks, you could get away with a semi- auto rifle, perhaps a fn / fal it is one of my favorites, easy to clean, ton's of ammo available, and hardly ever hear of one jaming up like AR's, Battle proven !!! AK's are great rifels to but the rounds are not that powerful, Scoped you can reach out 400 yards easy, I wont comment about any ferther, thats as far as I have ever shot mine. Prices will vary as to who made perticular model. and you can feel pretty secure with 30-40 rounds of ammo at your fingertip's hope this helps.
I would agree a pump shotgun. Great psyc on the bad guy and all the power to back it up. I trust my familys life to one when I am not here. The biggest thing with any weapon for defense it to be very familiar with it. You really need to know that weapon almost to the point of memorized muscle response. If someone is breaking in to harm you or your family there is no time to read an instruction manual. Practice makes perfect especially under stress.
I don't have any other people for miles around either, but the shotgun is a MUCH better choice for me. Use the shotgun (scatter) approach as opposed to the rifle (one point of impact) approach....unless you're going to pick off the intruder before he gets to your house......? I didn't think so.
And yes....nothing like the racking of a pump shotgun to give the BG second thoughts!
Whatever you are best trained with.
For me, it's the AR15.
A shotgun is a good choice, I have one loaded up with buckshot myself. One thing that caught my eye on this thread was several people refering to the sound of the action being racked as a deterrent to a BG. My question is, why wasn't a round already chambered? If you are within ear shot of a BG and you are just then getting your weapon ready for action, you are behind the curve of the OODA Loop. If you think racking the slide to scare the BG is a good thing, maybe you need to revisit your tactics, or rather your lack of tactics.
IF like matt you live out in the middle of nowhere then an 16" barreled ar will work wonders. Place a magpul carmine stock on it and you have a compact yet powerful HD rifle that when loaded with the proper ammo can defend your house from 2 legged and 4 legged predators.
I doubt my BG would/could hear the action being racked.....immediately prior to that point, they have already crossed the line and negotiations have ended.
In other words, I keep mine loaded.
Nice. First, it is a "best" thread.
Second, the op posted in 2007.
Can we be sure to dredege the river for more?
This is an old topic, but anyway...
A shotgun is a great home defense gun.
But, in respects to the OP, technically a shotgun is not a rifle.
So I'll vote for an M4A3.
I'm mostly a pistolero, so a .45 acp is my primary go-to home defense arm. Several tests and demonstrations have shown that a 5.56 (.223) will penetrate less than most service handgun calibers. I know, it defies logic, but it is what it is. These links show some test results;
"The FBI study clearly demonstrates the following: (1) that .223 rounds on average, penetrate less human tissue at close range than the hollow point pistol rounds evaluated, (2) concern for over-penetration of the .223 round, at close range, has been greatly exaggerated, (3) with the exception of soft ballistic garment penetration. the .223 round appears to be relatively safer for employment in CQB events than this hollow point pistol bullets tested."
"A study carried out by the FBI found that the .223 Remington (.223 cal) from a rifle had a smaller chance of overpenetration than the 9 mm Luger (.354 cal) handgun round."
Stopping power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Other interesting reading;
FBI Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness - FirearmsTactical.com
While nothing can compare with the devastation of a round of 12 ga. shot for taking down bad guys, there are limitations. At across the bedroom, or down the hallway distances, most shot sizes should work well. Over longer ranges where the shot begins to spread, there could be problems. "Every pellet has a lawyer attached to it."
Close your eyes for just a moment and picture this. A black steel tube about 19" long and nearly an inch in diameter...such a big opening you can almost see to the other end which just happens to have a shell about the size of a roll of nickels in it. Now imagine that at the slight rearward movement of a forefinger a hellstorm of 12-15 hot lead balls are unleashed with 1 mission on their mind...and they like to work as a team! Did I mention that just the sound of a 12ga pump being racked is one of the most recognizable sounds we know!
Go with a shotgun sir!
A short barrel AR loaded with suitable ammo (TAP is good one that is available to folks outside of LE) is tough to beat. My other sugestion would be an AR or other type of carbine (like the Ruger PC series) in a handgun caliber. I have an RRA AR pistol in 9mm that puts 32 rounds of 9mm in your hands and if you become competent with it it is VERY effective well beyong normal SD range. Loaded with TAP ammo it is a formidable HD weapon that will not make your ears explode when fired indoors without hearing protection (anyone that has let an AR or shotgun rip inside a room knows what I'm talking about). As a matter of fact I will be putting a can on that one and paying the ATF boys to make it a Short Barrel Rifle (SBR) dedicated HD gun.
If you want to be practical. A shotgun is the best all around home defense long gun. I'm sure it's a tiny bit more economical than all that AR handgun round shootin' junk. Just a hunch though.