Best heavy round in a 1911?

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by WannaBeVagabomd, Sep 20, 2013.

  1. WannaBeVagabomd

    WannaBeVagabomd New Member

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    I've got most of my tools and parts for my first project building, and now my mind is wandering towards the next. I was thinking a 6 inch long slide using a 6" Les Baer Monolith Heavyweight slide, doing the entire thing (no, really, everything but the grips) in Severns customs hard hat finish and putting either a Clark Custom or a Aristocrat sight rib on it. This one is a ways off, but needless to say, 45 just doesn't cut it in this thing. What caliber would you guys recommend? Like 10mm or 460 Rowland (which is involved in my current project), or similar cartridges. Thank you.
     
  2. nitestalker

    nitestalker New Member

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    I am a great fan of the .460 Rowland. I also load it for the Ruger .45 ACP Flat Top. In the Ruger you can load the Rowland in a standard .45 ACP case. The case is fully supported and does not need the case hardened Rowland web. :)
     

  3. WannaBeVagabomd

    WannaBeVagabomd New Member

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    I enjoy the 460 too, I just wonder about hot loading it. If any 1911 can handle it, it'll be this thing, My grandfather hooked me up with some reloading gear last time I went home, and I want to push it a bit in this one when I get to it. I'm also not sure how it stacks up to other rounds though.
     
  4. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    the 1911 can handle pretty stout loadings its the battering of the frame and slide that doesnt work out so well. your going to need super strong springs and a muzzle brake to tame that recoil force.
     
  5. Alwayscarrying

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    If you like odd-ball calibers you could try .400 corbon or .45 win mag.
     
  6. nitestalker

    nitestalker New Member

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    The .460 Rowland conversion for a 1911 runs around $600 dollars. It is costly. A standard 1911 will unwrap firing these rounds. My .45 Win Mag is a very impressive handgun. The Grizz is very accurate but it has a very sharp recoil.
     

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  7. WannaBeVagabomd

    WannaBeVagabomd New Member

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    It looks closer to $400 on the 460 Rowland site and about $300 is from Clark Custom. Admittedly I'm not sure if those are the only 2, and if their not I'd like to look at the others. I want to get match grade over drop in any day. As for weapon preservation, I was going to buy a metric crap ton of WC shock buffs, as heavy a recoil spring as I could use without effecting reliability and possibly a recoil system guide rod (which would probably have to be specialized for the specific needs of the cartridge). Honestly I think the sheer weight of this thing will do a lot of the recoil in. But I've been wrong before.
     
  8. Alwayscarrying

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    Nitestalker, that grizz is beautiful. Almost got one recently and I'm kicking myself for not getting it.
     
  9. WannaBeVagabomd

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    Actually, would it be possible to hand load using 45 and get it up to 460 level? Obviously assuming the brass is strong enough and the gun has been prepared properly before hand (ported or compensated barrel, and not a crappy one either, maybe a tungsten guide rod even...). I've read that the only reason the brass is longer is to prevent idiots from putting it in a RIA and killing themselves. So if I used a 45 super brass maybe?
     
  10. Alwayscarrying

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    I'm not an expert on this, but I'm gonna go ahead say. .460 Rowland runs at some pretty high pressure compared to .45 Acp's 21,000 psi. I don't think even .45 Super could realisitically do it.
     
  11. Overkill0084

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    I read many things as well. While that may in fact be the case, I for one am not will to bet body parts on the supposition of random folks on the interwebs. It's not them that will be picking up pieces of pistol (other things more dear) off the ground.

    .460 Rowland case length-. 957
    .45 acp case length- .898
    Pressure will be an issue as will proper head spacing if used in a .460 Rowland barrel. In a .45 acp barrel, well you're asking for serious trouble. While .45 acp brass will probably survive, why would you risk it?
    Your tossing around some pricey (Les Baer, etc.) names and you want to cheap out on the last 10%? If you can't afford to do this the right way, you can't afford to do it. Buy the applicable Rowland equipment and brass and do it correctly. I suspect you will be happier in the long run as well as being able continue to count to 10 with just your fingers.
    http://460rowland.com/will-the-460-work-with-a-long-slide-gun/
     
  12. WannaBeVagabomd

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    Just theoretical. I wouldn't use some crap barrel, and I certainly wouldn't use a round in a barrel it wasn't intended for. I was more concerned with if they ever stop making the brass, and the lack of options in the barrels. 460 Rowland only has drop in barrels (where'd I'd prefer match grade) and the porting is "California approved". I was born in Georgia and I'm going to Alaska. I don't care what California approves of. If I was going to do it, I'd use Bar Sto or Storm lake.
     
  13. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    if you look at some of the sites that make the 460 Rowland conversion kits, there are specific 1911's that say to use for those kits and certain ones that they say to not use.

    with the pressures generated by this round, there is probably a really good reason to heed their advice on this.
     
  14. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    IMO, that is like tossing a Chevy 350 into a Cruze.

    Why? What do you gain (besides wearing out the handgun prematurely)?
     
  15. hardluk1

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    Want something different maybe 40super. Out pace's the 10mm cartridge with out the hammering of the 460.
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  16. Transman

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    I really like the long slides!I've got a Springfield loaded longslide in 45,SS,bull barrel,flgr,great shooter.I've got a Fusion Hunter in 10mm,nothing short of fantastic,and a Kimber TLE converted to 460 Rowland(not a longslide,but 6")that's a real beast!
     
  17. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    IIRC, the cases for the 460 are beefed up in the web area of the case more to be able to handle more pressure. so while it may be possible to load 45 acp cases to 460 pressure levels, it would not be advisable at the expense of the shooter or the pistol.
     
  18. nitestalker

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    Alwayscarrying, This Grizz has the .357 mag. conversion as well. I did some engineering work for LAR in SLC years ago. We designed some Mercedes Benz drives for their milling equipment. While there I was able to get many of the items made for the Grizz. These are incredibly well made handguns.:)
     
  19. WannaBeVagabomd

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    How's PSI on the 40 super compare to the 10mm? Does it need a different brass or barrel?
     
  20. Alwayscarrying

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    Nitestalker, I am truly jealous.