best assault rifle

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  1. vinnytombs

    vinnytombs New Member

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    I was just thinking and I'm sure this topic has been brought up many of times before but what is every ones thoughts on what is the best assault rifle take into consideration: calibre, weight, handling, characteristics, reliability, range, brands, compatibility with extras,such as scopes, versatility, availability, and usage in wars I have a few of the big famous ones and love em all the same so I'd love to hear options take into consideration all variables that you can come up with
     
  2. JonM

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    welllllll historically there was and has been only one assault rifle type the sturmgewer stg-44 no other nation or leader has ever labeled their issue to combat troops an assault rifle. only hitler and nazi germany did so.

    that is why the liberal media has labeled everything from a ruger 22 to a side by side elephant gun an "assault rifle". the intent is to label all guns as evil nazi death machines in order to make it easier to ban guns in america and around the world.

    once the guns are gun then the filling of trenches with bodies of the politically undesirables can commence in full force. dont think it isnt happening now. in some elite euro nations africa and some asian nations its been going full force.

    so using the term "assault rifle" just helps the left to fill the trenches.
     

  3. mjkeat

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    Best military rifle ever would have to be the M4. I've heard good things about the VZ58 but I'm not sure how many mounting options it has.
     
  4. 44ablast

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    The best and most widely used military assault rifle is the AK47.
     
  5. mjkeat

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    You forgot to consider versatility into the equation. Mounting options for the AK have sucked until recently, as in the last year or so. There are a lot of good mounts on the market as of late but before they have sat so high the cheek weld has been horrible.

    Not only that but it in no way can it be used as a DMR type rifle let alone a anti personnel weapon.
     
  6. 44ablast

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    Ok your right not much thought went into my response.I've never seen an AK with a grenade launcher , or all the goodies on it like the m-16 or the m-4
     
  7. mjkeat

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    LOL, I have but it's rare.

    "Goodies" are nice but don't mean much when they are difficult to use or don't allow for consistent use.

    Have you ever tried to use a scope utilizing the side mount on an AK? If you have you'd know what I'm talking about. That's just the first thing that came to mind. I'm sure I can come up w/ more.

    Nothing against AKs as I've owner a few variants. You just need to know the limitations to the weapon system.
     
  8. trip286

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    I don't agree with the M4 being the best. It's cool, and good for and urban environment, but I'd really like to get my hands on an EBR. I feel the M14 trumps all else American made. That's my opinion.
     
  9. mjkeat

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    How is it versatile. I can see the M14 maybe being a good choice if it weren't for him throwing in, versatile. Try clearing a room w/ that monster or even carrying a x51 loadout.

    The M4 can do it all just change optics.

    I can clear rooms all day w/ an AR then engage a distant target on the return trip to the FOB.

    Don't forget he included weight, handling, and availability as well.
     
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    The EBR is an M14 package that makes it capable of the same versatility of your M4.

    However, it is heavy. Much heavier than the M4. I like the rifle and the round better. I never really cared for the M16A2/A4 or the M4 carbine.
     
  11. trip286

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    And it's as available as buying an M1A and them getting the aftermarket stock package.
     
  12. mjkeat

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    Yep, the EBR is a M14 in an aluminum chassis w/ collapsible stock. It's still heavy and bulky. It is however a bad ass looking rifle.

    The M4 family is really a great weapon system. It's the closest to a "do all" platform than anything I can think of.
     
  13. trip286

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    I agree with you that the M4 us easily the most versatile, I just wouldn't call it the best. I don't like the round for one thing, I've seen too many people shot with it multiple times without being stopped, or getting shot multiple times just to later get back up and continue the fight.

    More people can argue shot placement all they want, but unless someone has been in a heated fire fight, at night, or in the rain, or in a sand storm, or a densely populated area, shot placement can kiss my @$$, especially when many of those I've seen were hit with main body mass shots. So they may not have been hit directly in the vitals, but 5 to the chest should put a man down no matter what.
     
  14. mjkeat

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    But if going by the options the OP gave there is only one weapon system that fulfills them all.

    I know where you are coming from w/ the terminal ballistics of the 5.56 that most leg units get issued. There are better options for 5.56 though, if only we could use them. Bullet technology is good if only the military would take advantage of it.
     
  15. trip286

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    Well in that case, the only area that the EBR is lacking is in weight, but the M4 is lacking in caliber. So really, the 2 come out about even as per the OP's considerations.

    I've heard the civilian version of the EBR package is lighter than the issued version too, so.... Who knows?
     
  16. mjkeat

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    An exhausted soldier is a worthless soldier. Id rather be able to manipulate my rifle at will yet be required to place multiple shots on target than to not be able to get my rifle on target before the target has it's sights on me.

    VLTOR makes a chassis for the M14 that appears to be lighter than the EBR. I think it looks better as well.

    LOL, I really appreciate this conversation. It's rare two guys can discuss anything online w/o getting into name calling. Thanks man.
     
  17. trip286

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    I try to avoid name calling, but c3 has had to bust me on it once or twice. What can I say, I get mad sometimes too.

    As far as weight is concerned though, I carried a SAW and usually at least 2k rounds for it, plus water, grenades and at least one MRE, and never got too tired to use it effectively. It was just conditioning, I got used to it.
     
  18. mjkeat

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    I was a SAW gunner as well and must admit I would at times say a little prayer that we would hit contact so I could take a break from those damn mountains.
     
  19. Marlinman

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    I had the best of both worlds. Although my weapon of choice for man dropping wasnt an "assualt rifle".....let some dumbazz catch a 168 gr bt to the chest and they dont get up. Anyone that see someone take a 5 round burst at 30 yards to the chest from a SAW knows that 5.56 is a sh#tty round for man killin. Ya i had an m4 besides my 308 but id much rather have had the EBR instead.

    God didnt make all men equal colonel sam colt did
     
  20. ANGRYcanary

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    Right on..! This is going great...! I have only limited skills with few rifles, the only one I've ever carried for the military was the M4, aside from that I've only ever shot a 10/22 or a .270 bolt gun and, a shotgun or two. Pistols I think are great, and have had many. I personally feel the M4 is lacking ONLY in caliber, but... I would carry it as it is familiar to me. That being said, That is exclusively why I am building the RRA .308 that I am. I would really dig trying out some of the other rifles out there though..!! :D
     

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