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Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by Matthew161, Mar 27, 2012.
Can I stop or slow down a bear with a .45GAP
Is it possible? Yes. Probable? No. Do you want to bet your life on it? No.
A lot depends on the bear. Here in the mountains of Virginia, a 250 lbs black bear is a good sized bear. Last year I got to see some Alaskan Brown Bear out on some of the islands. About the size of a chevy S-10 pickkup.
Best medicine for bear- be aware of what is around you. Bear spray DOES work in most cases. Get between a sow and her cubs, I would LIKE to have a 105 howitzer loaded with a flechette round.
However, as we have discussed here several times, a 12 g loaded with slugs in the portable firearm of choice. A 45 GAp or 45 ACP is good medicine for people- not bear.
Problem is the wind is constant in the Rocky Mountians. The chances of spray reaching the bear before he reachs you is not good. A can of Hornet and Wasp spray would be more effective. They shoot a jet of toxic spray bad stuff. Myself I have found that a 12 Ga. slugs reach farther than "Chili Sauce".
One thing you don't want to do is piss the bear off so choose your firearm wisely. Though I carry a .44 mag walking in the woods around here but if confronted by an angry sow or a 250+ pound boar I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with slugs or at least a 30-06 rifle. If a bear charges they are fast, up to 35 mph, whatever shots you get with adrenaline messing with you you had better have enough firepower to make whatever shots fired do the job.
They do make some impressive "chili sauce" canisters these days but they are larger & heavier than a decent pistol. Besides, if your going to be the main course, you might as well go - well seasoned...
I went through basic w a guy whose family has been guiding hunters in Alaska for generations. They have to go through survival training in order to guide hunters and the school recommends 12 ga slugs for self defense.
Bears are dangerous critters that can be late to their own funerals and will be more than happy to take you with them.
If you are shooting the GAP, why not try the glock in 10mm? I have heard wiser people say that it has better penetration and offers a better chance than the .45. Whatever happens remember the value to the forest of that dead bear body as fertilize. With bears it isn't "sometimes dead is better," it is "dead is always better".
Why wonder at all?? You should never shoot a bear anyways! FLOUR bomb on OP.
all handguns lack the juice to down an enraged bear. there IS a reason alaska fish and game officers carry 12ga with slugs when they have to go into possible bear country.
hunting a bear is NOT the same as trying to stop an enraged bear before it gets to you. when your hunting the bear is usually at rest adrenaline wise, you have time to wait for a good shot so downing bears with things like handguns is totally doable.
handguns are better or noise making to scare a bear off than actually using it on one. for that they are pretty damn useless.
Jon firing guns to scare bears only works for Grizzly Adams. I saw a fellow try that on a Big Boar Grizz last fall. They are not cowardly critters. The old Boar started to move to the shooter not away. A fast retreat by the shooter was needed.
I agree? What real need is there to hunt bears? They don't rely on hunters thinning them out as certain populations of deer do. Sure if attacked by one, defend yourself, but to hunt bear IMO has lost its necessity in a modern world.
The op is not hunting bear but defending from a possible bear attack. I carry a Kimber Pepper Blaster. 2 shots that are not affected by wind or rain. Short range though at 3'-13'. Very compact and light. I usually also have a 357 loaded with hardball. I would rather have something bigger. It would be difficult to carry a shotgun in the areas I go, mostly because of people, but there is always a shotgun next to my bed in the RV. In Alaska I carried a 12 gauge or a rifle. The short barreled 454 Casull revolvers have proven themselves and are popular up there.
its about as effective as shooting em with one heh.
Bears have lost their fear of man in many areas. They have also over run the available land for their use. The conflicts become more common as they spread into more populated areas. The use of Bear Spray and rolling up in a ball is usally just surrender. Many hikers who use "Chili Sauce" get it in their own eyes. There is no spray that can stand up to even 10 or 15 mph winds. The good news is, you are blinded and you will never see the end of your life.
I would put my 500 S&W up against a 12 gauge slug any day.
I think you are seriously overestimating the ability of the S&W and way underestimating the level of destruction provided by a 12 ga slug.
I have hunted using both handgun (just a 44 mag) and 12 ga slugs. There is no comparison. Just my experience. Do your own thing in your own way.
I always wondered about those so called "experts" who advise you to charge or call the bears bluff. It may work on young bears but what the hell do you do if the bear calls your bluff. (save the last round for yourself ?)
Gonsilla good post. I would like anyone to look over a handgun at a Big Grizz. Even that 500 S&W will look Damn small. A squirt can full of "Chili Sauce" will most likely get you hurt or worse. A 12 Ga. loaded with Buck and Slug is your best chance. A load of Buck into the "Steering Gears" front legs can shut them down with a slug into the upper body.