Bear vs. 40 s&w need some info

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  1. FaTmAn

    FaTmAn New Member

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    I am helping a guy who is new to handguns who is a bow hunter. He hunts in a area where there has been alot of black bear sighting's and so now he wants to buy a handgun to take carry with him in the woods easy right .357 mag. At least that's what i told him,well it wasnt that easy he said he does not like the recoil or revolvers. He wants a 40. s&w i told him im not sure if it has enough stopping power on the first hit to put a bear down but im not a bear hunter. I suggested you dont want anything smaller then a 45 cal. So any information or idea's you have please help because i dont want to turn him off from the fun of handgun shooting.
     
  2. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Not an expert but I do not think either round mentioned would stop a bear in one shot. He would need a magnum load at a minimum..

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  3. spittinfire

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    What kind of bear are we talking about? Black bear here in NC could be handled with a hot 357 hard cast but I wouldn't go lighter then 158 and would highly suggest 170 or 180gr bullets. A 44 mag with hard cast 240gr and up should do the job.

    Brown bear? Bring a rifle....a BIG one, 45-70 lever gun would be my choice and back it up with nothing smaller then a 44 Mag if you must carry a pistol.
     
  4. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    If he chooses to carry a gun not designed for penetrating such a tough hide, please encourage him to carry some poison in his pocket, so the bear dies after chewing on him. :)
     
  5. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Speaking of bears chewing on people, I saw a movie with Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin stranded and being hunted by a Grizzly. For some strange reason I was rooting for the bear whenever Baldwin was in the shot...is that so wrong? :rolleyes:
     
  6. dunerunner

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    NO!! It is what I did!! :D

    To the OP....If he doesn't like the recoil of a .357, he isn't going to like a .40S&W, .44 Mag or .45ACP!

    Best to just stay out of Bear Country and hang his bow over the fireplace!
     
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  7. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Saw that & yes, it is wrong; the only good bear is a dead bear.
     
  8. dnthmn2004

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  9. Jpyle

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    But doesn't the same apply to Baldwins?
     
  10. orangello

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    Nah, they only annoy the public rather than eating the public, close though.
     
  11. JonM

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    i would feel comfy with my 460 rowland. power of a 44magnum recoil like a 45acp. drop in kit for steel frame 1911's. can switch back to 45acp or fire 45acp through the 460 kit. i would use fmj or some sort of softpoint handload.

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    a 40sw will just piss the bear off.
     
  12. Dillinger

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    Your friend needs to seriously rethink his approach.

    Even a double stack with +P .40 S&W rounds is going to be what one would consider "adequate" for even medium sized black bears. :eek:

    Personally I wouldn't carry anything as my lone "modern weapon" that didn't have the power to make big assed holes in very dense flesh and fur.

    .460 Rowland conversion is a great choice.
    .44 Mag
    .357 with hot loads
    .500 Mag

    Something along those lines. You are talking about a BEAR. This isn't an animal known for just lying down and playing dead when you point a finger and go "BANG!".
     
  13. jpattersonnh

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    Sounds like an excuse to need a handgun! I hunted moose, whitetail, and bear w/ my bow, a 65# at 28" recurve. I pull to 29". I carried 5 arrows in my quiver. 3 lighter shaft and broadhead for whitetail and 2 heavier shaft and broadhead for bigger game. With his bow a heavier combo will make short work of a Black bear. Mass weight equals penetration. My whitetail broadheads are 125gr, my Moose, bear broadheads are 150gr. Add the weight difference of the stiffer shaft, there is a 35gr difference. I carry for the two legged morons, not the game. I also carry a big knife! Most hunters use a tree stand, I track and stalk. Most Bear will wander on by and may look at you, but that is all they do. I talk w/ them. Cubs are a different story. Move away from them if your on the ground.
     
  14. Gojubrian

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    I thought the .40 was comparable to the .357?

    I thunk I'd rather have 12 or 15rds of .40 than 5 or 6 .357's between the two.

    If it were ME though, I would opt for the .44magnum or .460Rowland.
     
  15. JTJ

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    The 357 Sig approximates the 125 gr load in a 357. Not good enough for bears. Tell him to get a can of bear spray. If it doesnt work, the bear can use it for seasoning.
     
  16. JonM

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    the 40sw is the equivelant of 9mm maybe slightly stronger. not much. its parent cartridge the 10mm is almost the same as a 357 mag. 10mm/357mag still too light for bear.
     
  17. Dillinger

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    This might add a little clarity. Ballistic Coefficient is related to how well a bullet travels in flight, but it also can tell you how much energy is transferred.

    .357 Mag; 158 grain bullet travels at about 1200-1250 FPS and generates a B.C. of about .206
    .357 Mag; 180 grain bullet travels at about 1100-1180 FPS and generates a B.C. of about .230

    .40 S&W; 155 grain bullet travels at about 1100-1180 FPS, but it only generates a B.C. of about .137

    .40 S&W; 180 grain bullet travels at about 850-950 FPS; but it only generates a B.C. of about .164

    The B.C. of the .40 is about 2/3rds of the .357 with a comparable weight bullet.

    By Contrast:

    .44 Magnum: 240 grain bullet. About 1100-1145 FPS. Generates a .205 B.C.
    .44 Magnum: 300 grain bullet. About 1100-1150 FPS. Generates a .245 B.C.

    .308 – Everybody’s favorite rifle round. 168 grain travels at about 2700fps. Has a B.C. of .410

    HUGE difference kids. HUGE. :eek:
     
  18. Gojubrian

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    Go with the .44!! :eek:
     
  19. FaTmAn

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    Thanks all for the comments. I did suggest the 44 mag to him and i told him we can get the recoil down with a longer barrel, ported barrel,and rubber grips i just got to get him pass the dislike for revolvers.
     
  20. Jpyle

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    He'll dislike a pizzed off bear even more...:rolleyes: