BCG info pretty please..specs n stuff

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by DickTheNickhead, Jul 8, 2013.

  1. DickTheNickhead

    DickTheNickhead New Member

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    Okay. So I'm buying this Les Baer BCG but I can't find specs on it ANYWHERE!!!
    I keep getting told to go with a BCM, RRA or spikes BCG but I can't ever find them in stock so I'm buying this one...
    But I can not find specs on it for the life of me, I was hoping y'all knew something about it..
    It's not on their website and other online retailers have zero information about it...

    It's the national match BCG by Les Baer in chrome..
    What steel is used? MPI tested? Etc.
    Thanks for the help...
     

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  2. ctshooter

    ctshooter New Member

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    Why not call and or email les bare?? I'm sure they would be happy to help you out.
     

  3. DickTheNickhead

    DickTheNickhead New Member

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    Emailed over a week ago...no response yet.
    And I called this morning but it just rang
     
  4. DickTheNickhead

    DickTheNickhead New Member

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    But what is everything I should e looking for in a good BCG?

    What steel do is ideal?
    MPI tested is important, yeah?
    What else should I be asking or looking for in a BCG?
     
  5. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Read the specs at BCM (link below). This is what you should want. It's obvious they aren't ashamed of their BCG. When a vendor doesn't share their specs I tend to believe they're hiding something. Can't say about LB, but I'm not buying their ARs!

    Check Rainier and G&R Tactical, they sell BCM too.

    http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-...Auto-M16-p/bcm bolt carrier group auto mp.htm

    Milspec Carpenter No. 158® steel
    HPT Bolt (High Pressure Tested/ Proof)
    MPI Bolt (Magnetic Particle Inspected)
    Shot Peened Bolt
    Chrome Lined Carrier (AUTO)
    Chrome Lined Gas Key
    Gas Key Hardened to USGI Specifications
    Grade 8 Hardened Fasteners
    Key Staked Per Mil-Spec
    Tool Steel Extractor
    BCM Extractor Spring
    Black Extractor Insert
    Mil-Spec Crane O-Ring
     
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  6. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    Well it appears to be a LBR standard M16 BCG , chromed , unstaked gas key , chrome lined with a mil spec 8620 or 158 bolt . Manufactured by Young Manufacturing .
    MPI or HPT tested ? Nothing that says they do so so Im guessing probably not . Im not real keen on the non staked gas key but again its not my money ,
    In all honesty I would have bought one of the BCM or PSA mil spec BCG , Im not a fan of chrome , I dont like bling , I like all my rifle black and I guess Im just boring
     
  7. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    This is exactly what I'm thinking. The Baer will probably be just fine. But you might be paying for bling and neglecting the critical features of a good BCG. For the last few weeks it's been easy enough to find a C158 M16 for like $150. Here's one now.

    Cerakote (Microslick) is the only 'fancy finish' I really like on a BCG.
     
  8. DickTheNickhead

    DickTheNickhead New Member

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    Unstaked gas key? That's horrible!
    That's pretty much friggin important on a BCG correct? What issues might I run into without a staked gas key? Can I GET it staked?
    What should I be concerned about if its not staked?
     
  9. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    They use a permatex under the key to seal it up , what issues could happen? , well if it comes loose or leaks it may not cycle , if it comes loose enough plan on purchasing a new gas key , gas tube and possibly a new upper ; No big deal really, its just money :D
    yes you could have it staked, I would just do it myself but Im smart enough to buy the BCM or PSA thats already good to go ;)
     
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  10. ZeusEcho

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  11. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    How much was the Les Baer? I'm hoping it was well under $200.

    Part of what concerns me is that the picture at the top is of an AR15 BCG, as opposed to an M16. That's not to say the AR version can't work...but generally the M16 versions have a higher percentage of the details (staking, proper metals, tests, etc) executed correctly. That's why the auto versions cost a little more than similar semiauto versions.

    Gas keys can work themselves loose (rarely), but staking can be done once you receive it. It's really one of those little things that by itself is unlikely to result in failure...but whether or not it's been done properly is a pretty good indication of the level of care, craftmanship, and attention to detail that went into the whole BCG.

    People often cite the BCM bcg, because they take pride in doing all the little things right the first time and with the right materials.
     
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  12. Triumphman

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    I've heard many good things about Young Manufacturing, if indeed this who manufacturers this BCG. They DON'T stake their Gas Keys and I've not heard anything bad about them, if the screws are torqued correctly due to this feature. The staking of keys is a Mil-Spec thing, which if you know, is THE MINIMUM that Military will allow in the TDP. Remember, the Military uses FULL AUTO(Burst) Carbines, so being staked would/should be a requirement IMO.
    If you don't have a Full Auto Rifle, and possibly only shoot 200 to 1000 rounds a Year, is staking really needed?
    Would Young's or Les Baer deny any Warranty's of you as a Customer, because you stake the Key? Might want to call somebody about this.

    Also, this LB Carrier is NOT M16 FA type. It's called an "Enhanced" AR15 Carrier. Full Auto Carriers have the rearward bottom portion same length as top. Nothing wrong with Enhanced AR15 Carriers, but they are different than FA Carriers when seen side/side.
     
  13. DickTheNickhead

    DickTheNickhead New Member

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    I called Les Baer and their gas key IS staked...

    Now I'm wondering about where you guys got all the other information from..

    I'm just lost. Someone just tell me if its going to be reliable or not..

    I'm new to ARs but I'm not new to all firearms and I'll probably put 2-3k rounds through this thing per year...
    Should I just say f*ck it and start with a different BCG (and keep this as a backup) or will it e just fine for a long time?

    Oh, and I talked to someone at the local gun store. He said there is steel missing from the back because there is more steel up for more surface area where it slides within the receiver (or whatever you call it).
     
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  14. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    Plug it in and run with it. It'll probably do just fine.

    Again, how much did it cost? The concern isn't so much that your BCG will fail. The concern is if you paid a bunch when you could have landed better for far less. I hate to see someone get screwed.
     
  15. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    First off, this BCG will probably operate fine. I would feel I got hosed if I paid $260 for a chromed AR15 BCG, when I could have landed an equal or likely superior M16 (due to multiple factors) for $100 less.

    The chromed BCG will be shinier (which can be good or bad depending on your preferences) and a little easier to clean.

    But it should perform just fine. Enjoy the hell outta it.
     
  16. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    This is what I was thinking too. Many of us were trying (in your multiple threads) to steer you to something known to be good and at a good price. This one probably will be ok so just go out and find out. Shoot it to see.

    I hope it wasn't too expensive.
     
  17. Triumphman

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    These was much better Photos than what I saw before.
    To the staking. Yes they are staked, but not what many of us have seen on the normal Gas Key, so when you show a side pic, it threw off, what is normally seen.
    I think you shouldn't have any problems what-so-ever, but even with the "Best" BCG you can have problems.
    GO FOR IT, if you feel this is what you want. It's gonna be PURDY in your Rifle.
     
  18. DickTheNickhead

    DickTheNickhead New Member

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    All I know is that I just want something reliable...and chrome (or nickel boron) because I want it to be easier to clean.

    But this BCG sounds like its one of the best ones out there...I know there's only one way to find out (drop it in and shoot thousands of rounds) but is it correct to say that this BCG looks like one that is REALLY good?
     
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  19. TexasGunner

    TexasGunner New Member

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    If your gonna pay the extra money on it then get nickel boron instead of chrome. NiB is 40% harder than chrome and thus should last longer. If you want one from a company that provides specs then get a WMD. I bought one and would not hesitate to buy another.

    Here are their specs as I've posted in another thread.....

    WMD Guns drop-in Nickle Boron M16 Style Bolt and Carrier Assembly/Group (BCG) is developed to increase reliability and ease of cleaning and maintaining your M16/AR-15 type rifles. The bolt carrier is M16 (full auto) stlye.

    Drop-In AR-15 BCGs to increase reliability and ease cleaning and maintenance.
    Bolt – Carpenter 158 case hardened, shot peened and magnetic particle inspected. Manufactured to Government drawings. Mil Spec gas rings. NiB-X coated (40% more wear resistant than Chrome).
    Extractor – Manufactured, heat treated, hardened, per Government drawings. Black extractor buffer and heavy duty spring. NiB-X coated.
    Firing Pin – Manufactured, heat treated, hardened, Chromed and certified per Government drawings.
    Carrier – M16 style carrier (heavy weight), 8620 material, heat treated and case hardened. Manufacturing tolerances on inside diameters tightly controlled. NiB-X coated for durability and ease of cleaning.
    Gas Key – Hardened to USGI Specifications and attached using grade 8 hardened fasteners. Permatex No. 3D Aviation Form a gasket Type III Sealing Compound per MIL-S-45180 used on assembly. NiB-X coated. Staked per military specifications.
    Cam pin – Manufactured, heat treated, hardened and certified per Government drawings. NiB-X Coated.
    Hammer - Manufactured, heat treated, hardened and certified per Government drawings. NiB-X Coated.