Battle Arms Developments Ambidexterous Safety Selector 45 degree B.A.D.A.S.S.

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by AgentTikki, Jun 17, 2012.

  1. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

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    I've been interested in making a Kommiefornia featureless build for a rifle and been looking at ambidexterous safety after reading very detailed reviews such as this... http://www.weaponevolution.com/foru...-Battle-Arms-Development-Ambi-Safety-Selector , I decided to make the plunge.

    I got this item from ROGtac.com Shipping was insanely fast and I got this item the NEXT DAY. When has that ever happened? THE NEXT DAY. Omgwtfpwn'ed. Did I mention they have a 5% discount for forum members? The deck of tactical playing cards is a nice touch. Thx Mike!



    Here's how my lowers look now.

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    WTH how did that get in there......:confused:






    I opted for 4 levers, just to play with and review them. I opted for the standard (long & thick), short (thick), long/thin, and the short/thin. In hindsight, I think the hybrid would have been a very nice compromise.

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    Initial impressions:

    Very nice machine work. Fit and finish are top notch, its a very nice piece of kit. If your budget allows I highly recommend it.

    Actuation of the 45 degree safety is positive and very very nice. I really like it alot. My personal preference would be to have the regular long on the thumb-side, and long-thin on the opposite side. The short levers are easily reached but due to their length, its hard to get enough torque to actuate them. The short-thin is especially hard to get enough purchase and torque. The long-thin is easy to find and its doesn't get in the way. When I put the the regular long on the opposite side of the thumb (strong side) I found that the lever actually rubbed up against my hand a bit (by the first knuckle on the trigger finger) so putting it on the strong side is annoying. I think that the hybrid lever would be a much better compromise and will be ordering my next ones with them.

    I do have to say that the install took some smithing. You will have to grind off this little silver nub:
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    Which is annoying because it will void all factory warranties. I can only assume that its because standard lowers are marked safe/fire for standard 90 degree levers. There are a few lower recievers specially milled and marked for the BADASS, iirc AXTN, AR15.com, and Spike's Tactical.

    Honestly tho, I don't care, it took me all for 30 minutes of pontificating and weighing the pros and cons, 1 minutes to set up the tools and 1 minute of grinding. You must use the supplied detent as I found that the PSA detent was a bit sharper and didn't allow rotation of the lever smoothly. I also had to snip 2 coils off my safety detent spring as it was much too difficult to engage the lever with it. 2 coils off it was just right, nice, tight and positive.

    Here is what I really like about them. First, its ambidexterous. I'm a righty, so a standard lever works fine for me, but for this build, I'll be making a featureless which will postion my thumb on the strong side (weird I know) so an ambi lever is a must. Secondly, I really like how much easier it is to put the gun on safe. Flicking the safety off to fire, is always easier. But in order to put the lever to safe mode requires me to shift my grip a little to reach the lever to flick it up. Ergonomically with a standard grip this is much better, and much more intuitive. With a non standard featureless grip, it is also a lot easier and can be done without shifting your grip. I am very interested right now, in getting a hybrid lever for the strong side. Also I believe it will work very well for a featureless build as it will also double as a thumbrest.

    I gotta say that I'm really hating the BADASS right now. The more I play with it, the more I want it on all my builds. Its not an inexpensive piece of kit, at $90 bucks it'll be expensive to put on all my ARs. !@#$!%#%!#@$#

    Before I can pass final judgement, I really need to take this out and shoot with it. I will be taking a carbine class next weekend, should have about 1k rounds through it, and I will post up some more observations.
     
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2012
  2. Seven

    Seven New Member

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  3. MikeJK

    MikeJK New Member

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    We talked about the little pin. It was for legal issues. The 45deg took some time to pass legal and the pin was the only way it could be sold. The pin was to keep it from being used in other than lowers designed for the 45deg lever.

    I like all of their stuff and they are great people. I really like the feel of the 2 I have. Now that I'm done purchasing ARs I plan on using their selectors on all my ARs.
     
  4. Quentin

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    Yeah sure! How many times have we all said that1 :p
     
  5. MikeJK

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    Lol. I actually sold one a week ago and have yet to purchase another. That's a sign :)
     
  6. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

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    I give ya 2 month tops Mike!

    Quite honestly, I've never given the BADass much thought as a standard lever is more than adequate. But now that I've played with it, it does feel as though it'll give a tiny advantage for a competition setup, and a huge advatage when using it with a featureless setup. If the hybrid lever can double as a thumbrest I feel that it will be worth the price premium over a standard ambidexterous lever.

    I'm bringing a standard setup to class next week and a featureless.
     
  7. Quentin

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    You mean...

    ... there may...

    ... be a cure for BRD??? :D
     
  8. MikeJK

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    Boredom. I found my set-up, the set-up that works best for my. Most of the fun comes from experimenting to find what works best.

    I have one more I'm thinking of selling. Anyone want a LWRC?
     
  9. AgentTikki

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    Mike,

    Do you think the BADASS is a must have on all your ARs? Which levers are you using?
     
  10. MikeJK

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    I like the feel and levers better. I like the ability to go ambi but don't like the fat lever like on your average ambi selector. A must probably not. Cool? Yes.
     
  11. X-mark

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    Excellent review and thank you for the kind words!

    In addition to the fine BAD-ASS-ST that AgentTikki has, Battle Arms Development also has a "crank" lever available and an ambi-safety for the S&W 15-22. It is also important to note that the BAD-ASS-ST is designed for 45 degree lowers, and although they can be modified to work with standard 90 degree lowers, it is recommended that the standard BAD-ASS be used for standard lowers. With that said, AR platform owners are known to be tinkerers and if something can be tinkered with, we will tinker away. Battle Arms Development is a true leader in product innovation and evolution, as well as having the best customer service in the industry. If you are in the market for an ambi-safety, consider a BAD-ASS, BAD-CASS, or BAD-ASS-ST. Be sure to check out Battle Arms Development at http://www.battlearmsdevelopment.com/. They also make some cool M14/M1A tools!

    You can purchase the selectors directly from BAD or from me at, http://www.rogtac.com/lower-parts.html?cat=28

    If anyone has any questions about these ambi-safety selectors, feel free to PM me or email me at sales@rogtac.com
     
  12. AgentTikki

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    Did you guys know that Battle Arms has a lever exchange program? If you aren't happy with the safety selector that you have, you can get it exchanged for free! How great is that! Call them up and tell them what you like to exchange. Mail it to them and they will mail you back some new ones! I got mine in 3 days!

    I opted to get the new crank lever and the hybrid lever, just to try them out. I like the crank lever when using it on the left side, standard right hand grip. Its nice, and its unique shape makes it quite easy to flick the lever up and and down. Its probably a little lighter than the standard lever. Its probably a little more likely to snag on something. Quite honestly its a toss-up between the crank and the standard lever. It really just comes down to personal taste and aesthetics.

    I had the chance to use the BADASS ST (short throw) in a carbine class this weekend. I had the regular lever on the left, and the hybrid lever on the right. Quite honestly, the standard and the crank style on the left side really didn't make much of a difference. I opted for the standard lever.

    The Hybrid on the right side was very very nice. I like that its thinner near the end so it doesn't rub to much on the first knuckle of my trigger finger. When switching from strong side to weak side I simply forgot that I had a safety on the left side. I had to retrain myself to remember to use the safety with my support hand but I got. Either my left hand is uncoordinated or just plain week but I found it a little difficult to engage the safety with my left hand due to the shape of the lever. Taking it off safety with my left thumb wasn't a problem, but going back to safe with the hybrid lever was a little difficult. Ideally i would have wanted a standard long fat lever there, but then when shooting with my right hand, that lever would rub and quickly become very annoying. The Hybrid is a good compromise. Its doesn't bother the strong side hand when shooting normally. It offers more torque and purchase to actuate the safety when compared to the short/thin and short/fat levers. I'm happy with it there.


    As for the BADASS ST itself, you realize that its greatest strength within the first few time you flick it. Its beauty lies in its ergonomics. You don't have to shift your grip to go back to safe. It doesn't sound like much. But there it is. It allows you to keep your hand in the optimal shooting position. Now your thumbs maybe longer than mine, and you may not have to shift you grip when engaging the standard 90 degree safety lever. But this small difference wows me. Its so small and simple you don't have to retrain for it. You put it on and immediately you instinctively know how do use it. Now that I've got a whole day behind one, I'm honestly considering getting them for all my lowers.

    Now for this carbine class I used a standard pistol grip, I'm going to take this to the range with a Californian featureless rifle. I don't think most of you guys would even consider neutering your ARs, but the joy of having a regular magazine release and 30 round STANDARD capacity magazines are just too tempting.
     
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  13. MikeJK

    MikeJK New Member

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    30 round regular capacity magazine? Lol.

    I've been wanting to try the Hybrid lever but like all the other things my focus shifts.

    Do a write up/AAR on the class. It's always fun to hear others experiences.
     
  14. AgentTikki

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    AAR? Wassat Mike?

    Yeah your right........I'm behind enemy lines.......10 round mags for me. I did borrow a friend's 30 rounder for a couple scoot and shoot drills. Its not having to reload with a bullet bullet every 10 seconds.
     
  15. MikeJK

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    Giving you a little crap.

    After Action Report.
     
  16. Quentin

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    Oh man that sounds ugly. I'm still buying 30rd mags here and there. You just never know. Hope you guys can overturn these draconian state laws. And that they don't spread any further.
     
  17. AgentTikki

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    I was honestly considering making a featureless build, but now I'm not convinced. My friend was sporting a featureless. While it shoots just fine target shooting or on a bench, he was having issues running with it, certain times we were asked to keep the muzzle up and run with it, all but impossible to do one handed when you can use your thumb while holding the grip. Also, strong to weak transitions were tough. He also didn't think ahead to put on an ambidexterous safety, which meant he needed to use his support hand to toggle it. It was slow and cumbersome to say the least.