BATF Shotgun Study is out

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Bigcountry02, Jan 27, 2011.

  1. Bigcountry02

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  2. JonM

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    its high time that we the people save some money and defund and disband the batf.
     

  3. Bigcountry02

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    Watch for Shotgun modification parts / kits to fly off the shelves and prices to increase!
     
  4. dog2000tj

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    Looks like it's time to order up my shotgun before some azzhat bureaucrat decides it has "no sporting purpose". :mad:
     
  5. Bigcountry02

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    That means the Kel-Tec Bull-pup Shotgun will not be for public usage.
     
  6. RJMercer

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    I love it when a bueraucrat hiding behind an armed security force decides what is best suited for me to defend my family and property.
    I have to defend against a criminal element that gets braver and more brazen every time a gun control measure is introduced.
     
  7. Bigcountry02

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    Read the section on 5-Shot Tubular or Magazine. I only have the standard Remington 870, no mods! Too much old school!

    (4) Magazine over 5 rounds, or a Drum Magazine.
    A magazine is an ammunition storage and feeding device that delivers a round into the chamber of the firearm during automatic or semiautomatic firing.37 A magazine is either integral (tube magazine) to the firearm or is removable (box magazine). A drum magazine is a large circular magazine that is generally detachable and is designed to hold a large amount of ammunition.

    The 1989 Study recognized that virtually all modern military firearms are designed to accept large, detachable magazines. The 1989 Study noted that this feature provides soldiers with a large ammunition supply and the ability to reload rapidly. The 1998 Study concurred with this and found that, for rifles, the ability to accept a detachable large capacity magazine was not a
    sporting feature. The majority of shotguns on the market today contain an integral “tube” magazine. However, certain shotguns utilize removable box magazine like those commonly used for rifles.

    In regard to sporting purposes, the working group found no appreciable difference between integral tube magazines and removable box magazines. Each type allowed for rapid loading, reloading, and firing of ammunition. For example, “speed loaders” are available for shotguns with tube-type magazines. These speed loaders are designed to be preloaded with shotgun shells and can reload a shotgun with a tube-type magazine in less time than it takes to change a detachable magazine.

    However, the working group determined that magazines capable of holding large amounts of ammunition, regardless of type, are particularly designed and most suitable for military and law enforcement applications. The majority of state hunting laws restrict shotguns to no more than 5 rounds. This is justifiable because those engaged in sports shooting events are not engaging in potentially hostile or confrontational situations, and therefore do not require the large amount of immediately available ammunition, as do military service members and police officers.

    Finally, drum magazines are substantially wider and have considerably more bulk than standard clip-type magazines. They are cumbersome and, when attached to the shotgun, make it more difficult for a hunter to engage multiple small moving targets. Further, drum magazines are generally designed to contain more than 5 rounds. Some contain as many as 20 or more rounds.40 While such magazines may have a military or law enforcement application, the working group determined that they are not useful for any generally recognized sporting purpose. These types of magazines are unlawful to use for hunting in most states, and their possession and manufacture are even prohibited or restricted in some states.
     
  8. dunerunner

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    This effin sucks, and just when I haven't a spare dime to get out and buy a tactical shotty!!
     
  9. Gatekeeper

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    Now correct me if I'm wrong but this study doesn't "outlaw" anything. It is a study that recommends against the Import of shotguns wearing the so called non sporting features. (folding stock, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, mag capacity over 5rd magazine, etc)

    If thats the case, even if they decide to ban the import of shotguns wearing these features, shotguns such as the Saiga 12 would still be importable because they are imported with a straight sporter stock and a five round magazine.


    It's a study not a ruling...yet
     
  10. freefall

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    Then they would be subject to Rule 922R, neh?
     
  11. pagj17

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    Well at the top of the third page it says it will use this study to determine the importability of certain shotguns.
    so it's not a ruling but it is critera thereof In my uneducated, likely massively incorrect, opinion.
     
  12. orangello

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    So, how do we vote out the idiots at the BATF who obviously have confused their initials for BAMF? Are these fools appointed/anoited by somebody that i can vote against, heckle, berate, or assault with hate mail?

    What i'm asking is "How do we (the citizens) dismantle, disband, dismiss, or demote the BATF legally?".

    If they have gone after shotgun drum mags, will these anti-American scumbags go after drum mags for rifles next?

    I don't have, need, or really even want a drum mag for myself, but i'll be damned if i would deprive a fellow countryman of his drum, should he want to bang it. Eventually, i guess we will have to start making our own guns like the scum in that kypher pass video.

    I think next time, i'll just vote against ALL incumbants.
     
  13. easterner123

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    Good News

    It only says imported, that doesn't mean shotguns here can't be sportical. At least I hope not, I better buy some furniture soon if it means ALL sportical features are gonna be banned.
     
  14. dog2000tj

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    I have been doing that since I started voting at 18. Been telling everyone I can to do the same - it's a duty, not a career! :mad:
     
  15. DarinCraft

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    Well I wonder what law will come from this report. Have these guys forgot that people sometimes own tactical weapons for fun and sporting purposes? What's next do we ban all cars that aren't Prius'? After all the public has no reason to own anything other than that.:confused:
     
  16. bkt

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    What does "sporting purpose" have to do with anything? The implication is that down the road sometime, laws will be made around firearms being suitable for sport only. It's just another ban.

    We have to call them on the lie of their premise. 2A isn't about hunting or target shooting.
     
  17. spittinfire

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    Why can't I hunt with any style gun I want? If I can hunt with an AR, AK, SKS or any other "assult rifle" why can't I hunt with a "tactical" shotgun? 2A doesn't say anything about the kind of arm I wish to bear, just that I can.
     
  18. IGETEVEN

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    Indeed. The 2A gives man the right to bear arms in order to protect these here United States, in context means the "hunting" of man.

    "As passed by the Congress:
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
    "As ratified by the States:
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    Now granted, when the framers added this to the Constitution, they were not aware of the vast, ever changing improvements, technology and introduction in the future of the many new kinds of firearms, weapons and ballistics we would have access to today, but to try to limit us to what arms we can bear in order to keep the "security of a free State" *(hunt man)* let alone, use for sport hunting *(practice to hunt man)* is a contradiction of governmental horsesh!t. :rolleyes:

     
  19. DrumJunkie

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    This is the one thing that I thought about every time I seen the term sporting purpose. It doesn't matter. "sporting purposes" is not the only reason to own any weapon. This BS needs gone and in a hurry. any lawmaker that believes this is the proper criteria needs gone..It's just that simple.

    The only reason government wants to restrict what we can own is so the government will always have the power to suppress any action taken by citizens. I'm not saying actino needs to ber taken. But at some point it just might. So the restrictions are just to keep people as weak as possible.
     
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  20. TimL2952

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    are these not subjectable to the 10 round limit!!?? i live in NY and so far as long as its 10 and under (without being pre-ban) youre right as rain...now just because its a shotty its gotta be 5?!?!? wth?!