Basic 91-30 : keep as is or modernize?

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  1. cva209x50

    cva209x50 New Member

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    I'm currently saving up for my first 91-30. The sporting goods store I plan to by it from usually has anywhere between 5-12 regular mosins and anywhere between 3-5 laminate mosins. They want $200 for the regular mosins and $250 for the laminate ones. They aren't anything special, just the run of the mill, caked in cosmoline, Russian nazi-busters ... that occasionally smell like vodka. Once in a while you might be lucky enough to find one from tula, but most of the time it's just basic, brass, and laminate rifles. I have a 1945 m44 but it's 100% original so I'm not changing anything on it. I can't decide between a Boyd's stock, or an ati stock. Please don't bring up the magpul stock because I'm not putting a stock on a mosin that costs the same as the rifle itself. Any advice on stocks, and other accessories will be appreciated.

    P.s. : in addition to recreational target shooting, I plan on using it for coyotes and groundhogs (Indiana has limits on what guns you can use for deer, so I use normal deer guns for coyotes and groundhogs to make up for it).

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  2. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Keep it original!

    They've already gone from $75 to over $200 in less than 5 years. Remember, they aren't making any more of them and the remaining supply is drying up fast.

    And every "shade tree gunsmith" in the country is butchering them to make so-called sporters. Just like they butchered up the old Mausers years ago.

    I bought my first Kar 98 Mauser, in excellent plus (almost mint) condition for $15. Today, if you can find one in that condition, they will bring upward of $750.
     
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  3. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    That is your chose !...............
     

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  4. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    You can 'modernize' it while still being able to return it to stock configuration...

    It all depends on how much you want to spend...(see 10/22 upgrades)

    Now try to find a 1903A3 that hasn't been sporterized permanently...not too many jumping off the shelves these days, which is a shame...

    I suspect the Mosin market some years down the road will be a lot like the 1903A3 market now, unaltered versions getting premium prices...

    I say go nuts, just make sure you can switch it back to original...:cool:
     
  5. dteed4094

    dteed4094 New Member

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    If you plan to modernize it, plan on spending about the same as a low end sporter or decent used dear rifle would cost, unless restocking is all you have in mind.
     
  6. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    Just buy a rifle like you want the 91/30 to look like. No matter what you do to the 91/30 you still have a $150 rifle. Just spend the money all at once on a decent modern bolt action rifle.
     
  7. chloeshooter

    chloeshooter New Member

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    what are you going to use it for?

    do you want to have it for your kids/grandkids someday? I'd suggest keep as-is in that case

    something fun to shoot? again keep it as-is

    you need a rifle to go out and hunt with? go buy a Ruger American, Remington 783 or a Savage for $375 plus a $80 Bushnell Banner scope and you will spend about the same as you would to buy and sporterize your Mosin Nagant (as was already mentioned) and have a MUCH more accurate hunting rifle

    like someone said they keep going up in price. $200 for the non-laminate version seems very high, I can still get them for $130
     
  8. cva209x50

    cva209x50 New Member

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    I plan on getting it from dunham's (I can pick out the one I want)

    Their gun prices are higher than gander mountain's.

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  9. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    as many of these old Russian rifles have been home gunsmithed and bubbafied over the years, the ones that are unmolested and original are going to increase in value one day as there is only a limited amount of them left. case in point look at some of the old military Mausers. an original one can fetch a hefty price.

    personally, i'd just enjoy it as is and if you need something more accurate, buy a more modern bolt action. think Ruger American, Remington M783, Marlin X7, Savage Axis and many others that can be bought at a reasonable price.
     
  10. therewolf

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    These are not rare rifles.

    IIRC, over 18 million were made during their

    100-year run with various Eastern-Bloc armies.


    If you are doing this to save money, please reconsider.

    By the time you are done, you could have a new Savage,

    Ruger, or Remington, all of which come pre-drilled for scopes.

    Consider, if you reload 30.06 for varmints, you can use 100 or

    110 grain tips, and get massive flat-shooting punch.


    The M44 you have, in original condition, is, IMHO, the top

    of the line, in OEM Mosins, for chasing wild boar, and as

    a truck gun.

    If you decide modernize a 91-30, get the cheapest beater you

    can find, but know that when you are done, you will have a

    rifle which you may not even be able to sell at a pawn shop.
     
  11. 20ftupatree

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    I have a 1933 Mosin with the hexagon reciever. I bought it off of Armslist.com for $125. They usually go for at least twice that. I have a bad shoulder but will not give up my guns and shooting. I went with the Archangel stock so I could use detachable magazines and be much more comfortable shooting because everyone knows that Mosins kick like a mule. Yes, the Archangel stock is more expensive than my rifle. I am not one to worry about the cost, but more about comfort, accuracy and having something a little different than Joe Shmoe. This looks similar to mine. I'm just waiting to get my bolt back and to get the duracoat done. I'm either going to do tiger stripes or skulls. ImageUploadedByFirearms Talk1396454550.320207.jpg ImageUploadedByFirearms Talk1396454567.889382.jpg


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  12. firearmsguru777

    firearmsguru777 New Member

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    Well i think that modernizing your nagant will help with the recoil. I have a 91-30 as well and I'm planning on getting a arc angel stock I'm. 5'4" and that gun beats the heck out of me but i loooooooove it !!! You can always change it back if you want.


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  13. cva209x50

    cva209x50 New Member

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    I got a Mauser for $200
     
  14. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    You can find a recoil pad on ebay under $15 shipped to your doorstep.

    If you want a gun with no recoil get a 5.56x45. Anything that shoots a 203 gr SP at 2,400 fps is going to have a little recoil.
     
  15. samnev

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    Buba a MN 91

    I agree, there are sporterized MN 91's out there if you want a sporterized one. I'd keep it original.
     
  16. dteed4094

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    There are barreled actions available. If you want to build or modify a MN, why not start there? Matching numbers do not mean anything on a Bubba Nagant. From everything I've heard, The arc Angel doesn't really reduce recoil any way, and if they fit like the ATI Monte Carlo They aren't worth the trouble. Speaking from experience, if you want to build a Mosin to have a more modern looking rifle that has all the bells and whistles, it will cost twice as much as a new Axis and not near the accuracy. I have one I did that is 100% reversible for $625 but it is only marginally better than its pedigree. It was fun to do but don't expect a cheap way to have a modern rifle. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
     
  17. -06

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    Luv dem Mosins

    Have several including one Hex. Two were "bubba'd" when purchased but the shoot well with lighter loads. Good advice on buying a current production rifle for hunting. Have a 77 Ruger in '06 that is a tack driver. Stainless w/composite stock under a Bushnell 3X9. You will not find a better rifle for the money. Have a 25-06 that I shoot now. Have a torn rotator cuff that is healing nicely and the heavy barreled Mauser build does not hurt it. There are some sporterized Mausers/Mosins/etc out there on the shelves.
     
  18. Rick1967

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    For the recoil sensitive reloading is often the answer. I bought 3 boxes of the reloadable brass ammo. I use several different loads using several different bullets. Just because the Mosin can shoot shoulder shattering ammo doesn't mean it has to. You can safely load it down quite a bit.
     
  19. towboater

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    I'd buy a Savage and have a better rifle for less $$
     
  20. 20ftupatree

    20ftupatree New Member

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    The Archangel stock is very nice. The Mosin is a very accurate rifle. Some say this or that. I feel it is just there preference. Yes, it may be expensive to set up a Mosin with all the bells and whistles, but if you set up any rifle like that it will cost you a few paychecks. I stand behind the Mosin. I also stand behind many other rifles. You have to consider all of these rifle companies change this or that to make it more accurate. Mosin hasn't changed in over 100 years. It's a sniper rifle plain and simple


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