barrel and powder question

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by redrussell, Dec 31, 2011.

  1. redrussell

    redrussell New Member

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    What is the best barrel twist and powder for shooting a heavier (62-69grn) bullet? I shoot 3 gun so targets are 5ft-550yds. My current barrel is a Yankee Hill 16" 1/9 twist. Charge has always been been my powder cause I know it works. My current load is 55grn V-max with 25grn Charge, CII sr primers COL is 2.220. It shoots very tight out to 250yds then starts to drift. I want to go heavier so I dont have as much drift and more retained energy.
     
  2. redrussell

    redrussell New Member

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    Varget has always been my powder, darn auto correct.
     

  3. MidnightExpress

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    There's an "Edit" button in the lower right corner of your post.
     
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  4. redrussell

    redrussell New Member

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    Forgot to post my goal... wow my bad. My goal is to try and either use a cheaper powder or less so cost is lower. I have my next new rifle done except my barrel. I am going for an 18" for the added velocity and that length is still easy to move around and handle.
     
  5. BlueTurf

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    Let me get this straight. You are willing to spend money on a nice rifle and are concerned about using a different powder to save money? How much money do you plan on saving by doing this? You are talking pennies here. Most people reload to find custom loads that work very well in their firearms, not to save money. Why not just use what works well? I have seen people get cheap with their reloading to the point where they were doing things that were unsafe. If you are willing to put out the money for a nice rifle then why not shoot good ammo in it?
     
  6. redrussell

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    I am talking about getting my cost down from $.29 a shot since this last year I shot and reloaded over 50,000 rounds. Pennies add up. I am trying to find who shoots what and what their load is so I can cross reference it with my load book and see if I have tried it and also see if people on here make sense and aren't retarded. No offense ment toward anyone. I am trying save in powder if i can because high grade bullets in the heavier weights cost more even when bought in bulk. Before I down graded to Varget I was using Vihtavuori if that gives you an idea of what ny cost used to be.
     
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  7. redrussell

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    Keep in mind most of my supplies this year were covered either by supplies won from matches or gift certificates received. I would rather spend that money on toys instead of ammo.

    If my wife didn't shoot too o would probably be divorced but I also wouldn't use as many rounds. Varget add up at $140 per 8lb Jug. It is the one supply I have not bought in bulk. Never thought I would need that much.
     
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  8. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    $140 for 8 lbs is going to be hard to beat. Varget is a good choice for the heavier bullets. Look at the 69 gr pills they should give better long range results. Your 1/9 should have no problems with that weight.
     
  9. BlueTurf

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    Okay, I can see where you might want to switch from Vihtavuori to a different type because it is significantly more expensive than other commonly-used brands. For example a friend and I have been helping each other develop .44 mag loads. He bought a can of Vihtavuori N-110. At the local Sportman's Warehouse it cost $31.99, compared to $21.99 for W 296, H110 and Lil Gun, the other powders we tried. We got our best results from Lil Gun. This really adds up if you shoot a lot and it sounds like you do. I have used Varget a lot for my .308 loading and found it to be a very good powder. I do not think Varget is a downgrade compared to Vihtavuori.

    I guess I was just thinking about a few people I know who do what I think are dumb things to try to save money with their loading. One guy tried using powder that was faster than what was called for in the recommended ranges. He thought he could use less powder this way. He once was using a powder used for .223 in his .300 Win Mag and complained it wasn't working very well. He was using Bullseye for his .44 mag loads, and this powder is not listed in most published data for this cartridge.

    Anyway, I think there are smart ways to save money and dumb ways to do it. I don't shoot all the time and I am willing to spend the money for decent reloading components. I always like it when I am able to work up a load that shoots great in one of my guns. Good luck with your loading and shooting.
     
  10. MidnightExpress

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    Alliant, Speer and Oregon Trail list Bullseye loads for 44 Mag. It might not be the best powder for that cartridge, but it's not a crime, sin or "dumb" to try it.

    What 223 powder was he using in his 300WinMag?
     
  11. BlueTurf

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    I think it is dumb when you are cheap to the point where you take chances on safety in the pursuit to save pennies. I didn't tell the whole story. This guy was also known to try loads below the listed minimum, and he wondered why his semi-auto wouldn't cycle. For what it is worth, my loads and shooting put his to shame when we shot together, To each his own, but I load to develop great-shooting ammunition, not just to save money. There is a lot of decent factory ammo out there I can buy cheaper than I can load it myself. Simply put, I figure if I can afford a nice firearm I can afford to shoot decent ammo through it.
     
  12. MidnightExpress

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    I'll agree ignoring safety in the name of saving a few cents is ill advised, but I haven't seen you post anything he/they have done that would be a safety concern.

    How far below the recommended 44 Magnum velocities was he dipping? What 223 powder was he using in his 300 WinMag? What caliber semi-auto was he trying to load light?
     
  13. BlueTurf

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    I participate in this forum to exchange information with others, as most of us here do. I do not participate to get into a pissing contest about who knows the most about a topic. I said what I said on this subject and that is it for me. You and everyone else are free are shoot whatever firearm and ammunition you choose and do not have to answer to anyone for it. I do not care what other people shoot, that is unless they are shooting at me. Your time, your money, so shoot whatever you want.
     
  14. Sniper03

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    russell,

    If you go heavier than the 69 grain and expect peak accuracy you are looking into the 1:8 and 1:7 twist range. 69 is on the top end weight wise for the 1:9 twist. As far as your comment to Wind Drift? That is the 223/5.56! With any significant wind at all out at 200 - 250 yards and over it is just a fact of life so to speak when shooting the caliber. That is why at longer ranges the 7.62 NATO or 308 and + calibers are a better choice regarding wind drift. But it also is effected by the wind as is any other caliber.
    The other guys have certainly given some good adivse regarding powder so I will decline to add anything since they are right on in their comments.

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  15. MidnightExpress

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    I asked you some simple, basic questions regarding some ambiguous safety issue you mentioned. I was asking to gain a little clarity on what exactly was unsafe about "This guy." It had nothing to do with whether or not you have a clue as to what you're talking about. If you would rather not answer them you're well within your right to not answer them. You know, free country and all. Your hostility and "pissing" remark are completely uncalled for and couldn't be more out of place, but I understand why you chose that path and why you're ignoring the questions.

    I'll put you on the "no follow-up questions" list and be done with it. At the very least it should save you some grief.
     
  16. JTJ

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    My Lee book lists Bullseye for the 44 Mag and I used to load it with a 240 grn hard cast semi wad cutter.It was a very accurate low power load equivalent to the 45acp in power. IMR 4895, IMR 3031 and IMR 4198 will work in the 223 and the 300wm.
    A 69 grn 223 is going to need 1:8 or 1:7 twist and Varget is a good powder. It will be a compressed charge. A friend uses a 223 loaded with Varget to 1000 yards in long range competition.
     
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  17. MidnightExpress

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    Hornady 8th has a couple of Bullseye loads in 44Mag as well and several in 44 Special, didn't think to check my Lee manual earlier. Just used the Load Data load search.
     
  18. BlueTurf

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    It is nothing personal, and not this thread I was referring to specifically. You have probably noticed that all too often some people in this and other forums take comments way too personal and go off the deep end. I have had a few of these people jump all over me over something real simple and trivial.

    I should have clarified what I was trying to say about the reloader I was referring to. He mostly used word-of-mouth loads he heard from others and not printed references. He is extremely cheap in a general way, not just with reloading. I know Speer and a few other manuals listed load data for Bullseye for the 240-grain cast SW, but he wasn't using that bullet. He also tried using a few slower powders such as H110 and 296 in greatly reduced loads. Many published sources warn against trying this. I know that there are a few powders such as Varget that will work great in both the .223 and .300 Win Mag but he wasn't using it. I think he tried H335 and I could not find it listed in any references I have for the .300 Win Mag.

    I hope this clears things up a bit. We have all heard things about reloading from others that we do not agree with. The honest exchange of information is good for all. I didn't mean to get testy but I get kind of weary of the personal attacks I see on these posts sometimes.