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Discussion in 'Firearms in the Media' started by Genec, Jan 7, 2013.
Hard call or no?
Absolutely a hard call. not so sure I would have been as forgiving.
but, then again, the attack was clearly over, and the assailant was running away. if there was video of the victim shooting at a man who's running away, it might be hard to argue that it was self defense, an over zealous DA could argue that as soon as the perp turned to run away, it turned from a self defense situation to a revenge/vigilante situation.
I don't know that I agree with such logic, but I can see how someone could make that conclusion.
That is a tough call. The thing that scared me tho is what if this Quinnel guy had a real gun? Cameron probably wouldn't be alive to tell the story
With the risks that can be involved with carrying a firearm around, why do it, when your not prepared to use it?.
I know he was being shot at by an air pistol but they are capable of serious injury and death, he could have let some shots off at his feet atleast!. He must have had time to fire back before the guy ran away when he got 20 shots off...
Easy for us to say though.
He made the call not to kill.. His choice, we don't really know how we would react until it happens, I think I would have stopped the threat, but...I'm sure taking a life would not be easy to live with, but when it comes down to you or him seconds to decide.. I hope I never have to be put to the test..
I would not shoot at someone that is running away. However, if he is still shooting when I draw, my gun would go bang.
I wouldn't be surprised if we haven't seen the last of Daniel Quinnell. That is exactly the kind of nut that needs to be getting serious mental health treatment before he offs numerous people in a church, school, mall, etc. Bet we don't see Diane, Charles, Bloomberg or any of the other morons come out for registration of pellet guns.
Cameron is the right kind of person to have a CHL. Not sure I would have taken a couple of rounds like that, but without the report of a firearm, I too might have not retaliated. Really hard to say without being there.
Dont be so sure. Air rifles can be deadly and are regulated in England. They were even used as military weapons and one was carried by the Lewis and Clark expedition.
Deadly force is a huge choice. It is rarely necessary. Even when it is, some simply cannot. It is their life. Their choice.
When I was a teen me and some friends were robbed, one of my friends was shot in the incident. The entire thing lasted under 20 seconds and I don't know that I would have ever had an opportunity to draw. That one incident is one of my reasons for questioning if I should carry. I know that isn't the only type of incident, but once you are staring at a gun, going for your own may be a little late, my opinion, the guy who draws first wins... On the other hand, I was very calm and had my wits during and after which also makes me think I am a good candidate to carry. Point is is when SHTF it happens fast and none of us know how we will react until it is over and your standing there asking yourself if it really just happened...
Sorry Tanktop but I disagree with you on a number of issues. Firstly, if you do decide to carry concealed you should develop the mental attitude that if you are confronted with such a situation your first option is to defend yourself. If not, why carry concealed?
Secondly, the guy who draws first doesn't always win. A guy who draws can be first at doing just that.....draw. Completing the task can have so many interruptions like malfunctions and the like that the person who is last on the draw might be the first on the squeeze.
Thirdly, carrying concealed is serious business. I have told my students that training takes over when you are in the SHTF moment.Training is important so get some personal defense classes and training in the use of firearms as a regular part of your routine.
This encounter reeks of poor training. Racial comments from a man closing on you in a parking lot at 3 am?
Real gun, air gun, club, knife, or bare hand...simply presenting the victims weapon "without drawing" would most likely have sent this punk scurrying away.
I'm glad the victim had minor injuries and hope he gets some training after this.
Allowing an obvious aggressor to close that closely is simply not smart and adrenaline can cause some folks to freeze up. Training, training, and then a bit more training is advisable for all.
I'm in total agreement to a point, have you ever starred down the barrel of a pistol? It's almost hypnotising... At the same time I would always vote to have a concealed weapon and lots of training vs none.
You hit me in the eye with a BB gun and I lose my eye, I lose my ability to work at my career.
Damn right I'll shoot, but not if when I draw, the attacker flees.
The point I take away, is that this man went for his gun and probably scared the attacker away.
How do you know that his buddies aren't waiting in a car or bushes.
Furthermore, I take away that this guy stopped an attack with a firearm without even using it.
He also stopped a hate crime, putting more cracks into the whole, 'I'm a liberal and here to help minorities.'
Also, I don't see ANY conservatives saying 'he wasn't white, he should've been shot.' No, instead I see a lot if conservatives saying, 'That white dude should've been shot.'
Good observations and all true...bit I'm looking at it from the "he screwed up and caught a BB in the head" angle...
Sounded to me like the aggressor was talking and closing on the victims before the BB gun was brought out and fired at close range.
Smart sheeple would have made a run into the Wal Mart...
Trained armed citizens would have drawn before nut got close enough to fire...
This victim falls into a dangerous category of people who don't run "because there packing", but who lack the training to respond properly.
Not shooting the fleeing perp was the correct decision "after the fact" but...dumb luck is the only reason our victim survived to tell his tale.
He had a hand on his gun but he didn't shoot. As in "This is my rifle, this is my gun..."?
IMHO You could also look at it as evidence against the "trigger happy" syndrome many libs say gun owners have.
Part of the requirements in carrying a firearm is to be aware of your circumstances and be ready, willing, and able to respond to a threat appropriately. When he saw the guy approaching him that way, he should have had his hand on his gun. When the perp drew his weapon, the victim should have drawn and shot. It appears that he thought of his gun as sort of a "good luck charm", that nothing would happen to hime if he was carrying it.
Here's the link to the video,,,,still hard call: shot in the face, blood in the eyes, could I make a good shoot? I don't know.
Once the perp kept firing, the guy should have drawn, ran up to the perp, and shot him point blank.