ATF and "No Sporting Purpose"

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  1. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    ATF to Issue New Ruling on Monday regarding New Restrictions on Shotgun Importation
    January 19th, 2011
    Today, the ATF announced at the 2011 SHOT Show that a new ruling would be issued on Monday, January 24, 2011, regarding the importability of certain shotguns. ATF informed the audience at the ATF Townhall meeting that they wanted to ensure that they were properly and justly enforcing the requirements of a shotgun being for a “sporting purpose.”

    This is definitely concerning given the huge demand for certain shotguns like the Saiga platform, which has seen a noticeable increase in demand. While ATF would not comment on which shotguns will be named in this ruling, I would not be surprised to hear that the Saiga is going to be mentioned in the ruling, given the large capacity magazines and feeding devices that are now available.

    Some may remember that ATF determined that the USAS-12 was a Destructive Device because it had “no sporting purpose,” and had a barrel diameter of more than 1/2 inch. The determination that it had no sporting purpose was largely because of the semi-automatic shotgun having large magazine and drum feeding devices, for which, ATF said there would be no sporting purpose.

    When I inquired whether this ruling would encompass any DD determinations, the response was that it would not; however, I believe the affect will be that certain US-made shotguns may end up becoming DD’s by this new ruling.

    UPDATE:

    New Information on ATF's Ruling that will be Issued on Monday
    January 21st, 2011
    I previously wrote that the ATF announced at the SHOT 2011 Townhall meeting that a new ruling would be issued on Monday with regards to the importability of certain shotguns. I have since learned that the new ruling is going to be akin to the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban, in that, shotguns with bayonet lugs, large capacity magazines…etc or commonly referred to as “evil parts,” will no longer be importable as they have “no sporting purpose.”

    It would seem that the Saiga would fit that category since it has available large capacity magazines, but I am unsure what other currently imported shotguns would fit this bill. Nevertheless, ATF has apparently done an in-depth review and this ruling will prevent the importation of more than one shotgun.

    The one interesting question that will arise, especially if the Saiga is named, is whether it has a “sporting purpose” when it is imported versus when it is modified here in the US. For instance, the Saiga is imported with only a 5 round magazine, which is obviously not high capacity. Although there exists larger capacity magazines, including a 30 rd drum, those are made here in the states and the shotgun is not imported with them. Thus, it will be interesting to see if the importability of these named shotguns will hinge only on their configuration when imported or when ATF considers the aftermarket products that are available. If the determination is made at the time of importation, the Saiga should be safe from this ruling

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    Since when does our right to own firearms depend on their suitability to be used for sport?
     
  2. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    Baby steps. My blood pressure goes up every time I hear about something like this. take things slowly and no one notices, at least that's what they think.
     

  3. gatopardo

    gatopardo New Member

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    Easy solution

    The solution is very simple, we invent a sport like trapshooting, only we release 6-10 targets or more at a time, we of course need a saiga semi automatic for that.

    Or balloons
    [​IMG],
     
  4. opaww

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  5. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Tangential note on that particular gun. While it is a very slick design, it has what many would consider a design flaw: When you squeeze off a round and rack the slide without releasing your finger from the trigger, the trigger won't reset; you have to rack it again and eject an unspent shell. That's not good in a panic tactical situation.
     
  6. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    the second ammendment has nothing to do with sport or hunting.
     
  7. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    It is incredibly taxing having to hear or come across this stuff on a near daily basis. :( I never truly realized how rampant this crap was until recently. Traveling back and forth from VT to NY to visit family is like taking a trip from reality to Mars. The papers/tv/radio and the general populace just spout one stupid thing after another, it's almost too much and I only stop by for a day or two a week at most.

    Just the other day I had a discussion with my mom about the Cali school shooting. She just kept regurgitating what the tv was saying so I told her if she wouldn't go out and inform herself that I would do her a favor and bust in the tv. :mad:

    Ah hell, just bring on CWII and lets get this shit over with! :cool:
     
  8. TimL2952

    TimL2952 New Member

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    what about 3 gun shooters? and other tactical shooting games...i know theres probably some rules to em, but in general you would want a large capacity magazine to cut down reloads and increase speed right?


    such a stupid rule.
     
  9. IGETEVEN

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    [FONT=&quot]"Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter."
    - Hemingway[/FONT]
     
  10. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Make more stuff illegal, and i will just need more contraband. :mad:
     
  11. Gatekeeper

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    Saiga's are one of the most popular shotguns for Open div shotgun competition, and have been for years.
    The ATF doesn't care if it has a "sporting purpose"

    Internet rumors suggest the saiga's are safe(for now), but ATF may ban import of Chinese Winchester 97 clones with bayonet lugs.
    Ahhhh those dangerous bayonet lugs, gotta get them off the streets. I was almost bayoneted 3 times this week:rolleyes:

    All just rumors, guess we will have to wait for monday to be sure
     
  12. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    You too?!?? The bayonet attacks around here are getting rediculous!! I got my wife a bayonet proof body suit.


    Can I borrow someone's saiga? I want to go duck hunting, plus I've never shot one.
     
  13. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper New Member

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    Uhhhh...................Nevermind
    :p
     
  14. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    I know what you're thinking, but I got it taken care of. :D
     
  15. dunerunner

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    When in hell did the "No Sporting Purpose" BS creap into justification for restricting a specific firearn.

    This isn't making me real happy, I'm making a list andd getting my Voting Card out!!
     
  16. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper New Member

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    The wording is in the Gun Control Act of 1968.
    United States Code: Title 18,921. Definitions | LII / Legal Information Institute

    (4) The term “destructive device” means—
    (A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
    (i) bomb,
    (ii) grenade,
    (iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
    (iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
    (v) mine, or
    (vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;
    (B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel [/COLOR]with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter; and
    (C) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any destructive device described in subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled.
    The term “destructive device” shall not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device; surplus ordnance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684 (2), 4685, or 4686 of title 10; or any other device which the Attorney General finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, is an antique, or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for sporting, recreational or cultural purposes.


    The (mis)interpretation of what is a legitimate sporting purpose is the The Attorney General's:mad:
     

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  17. Benning Boy

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    Has the AG weighed in?

    The article makes it sound like ATF makes the calls autonomously.
     
  18. dunerunner

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    If they are going by that interpretation, all guns are destructive devices. That, the Gun Control Act of 1968, is a leaky boat and needs to be repealed!
     
  19. General_lee

    General_lee New Member

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    I would like to know where exactly in the 2nd Amendment does it say anything about firearms must have a "Sporting purpose" ?:mad:
     
  20. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Soooooo, did anybody ever see anything from the federalis on this issue, ATF, AG?