"Assault Rifle" Used for Self Defense

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  1. dglockster

    dglockster New Member

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    Guard kills 2 in robbery attempt

    Third suspect is in custody; man shot pair with assault rifle

    08:48 PM CDT on Thursday, October 4, 2007
    By TANYA EISERER / The Dallas Morning News
    teiserer@dallasnews.com
    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/100507dnmetguardshoot.2cdef6a.html

    A security guard used an assault rifle to kill two robbery suspects at a Red Bird strip mall late Wednesday, police said.

    Police say the guard grabbed his weapon when one of the men pointed a handgun at him.

    Brandon Stewart Sergio Vann, the 19-year-old gun-wielding assailant, died at the scene late Wednesday. Detavias Davis, 17, who was driving the getaway car, died at a hospital.

    A third suspect, Brandon Stewart, 18, was being held in the Dallas County Jail on a charge of aggravated robbery.

    Police are looking into whether the trio may have been involved in other robberies.

    Dedrick Howard, the 20-year-old security guard, declined to comment. His employer did not return a call seeking comment.

    The incident happened about 11:30 p.m. Wednesday in the parking lot of a shopping center in the 2200 block of West Red Bird Lane.

    Mr. Howard, a licensed security guard, told police that he was on duty, sitting in his vehicle and working on a laptop when he noticed a white Mitsubishi circling the parking lot.

    The car parked two spaces away from him, police said. Two men, identified as Mr. Vann and Mr. Stewart, got out and ran toward Mr. Howard's car, police said.

    "One kid asked him, 'Do you have change for a $20?' " said police Sgt. Ray Beaudreault, a homicide supervisor. "Of course, he didn't. The other kid pulled a gun and told him to get out of the car."

    As Mr. Howard got out of the car, he grabbed an assault rifle from the passenger seat and fired several rounds. Mr. Vann was hit, and Mr. Stewart ran.

    The getaway car's driver, identified as Mr. Davis, restarted the car, police said. Thinking the driver might have a weapon, Mr. Howard then shot at the car, striking Mr. Davis, police said.

    As Mr. Davis fled, fatally wounded, he lost control of his car and it struck another vehicle, authorities said.

    Police think Mr. Vann, who had the gun, tried to fire it at Mr. Howard because police found a round in the gun's chamber and two live rounds on the ground, Sgt. Beaudreault said.

    "I think that's probably what saved the security guard's life, because he had time to fire his weapon before Sergio did," Sgt. Beaudreault said. "He didn't know how to operate the weapon."

    Sgt. Beaudreault said he believes that, typically, armed security guards carry handguns and not assault rifles. "It's not your standard weapon," he said.

    Mr. Howard fired 11 rounds from the assault rifle, police said.

    Police say Mr. Stewart was arrested when he returned about 15 minutes later to retrieve his cellphone and jacket from the car. Mr. Stewart told detectives that he and his accomplices planned to rob Mr. Howard of his laptop, a police report said.

    "Kids at that age need to be in school, getting a good education," said Sgt. Beaudreault. "Why they're out there robbing a security guard is beyond me. I don't really know what to make of it."

    After the shooting, Mr. Vann's mother called and spoke with a detective. She told police that her son worked at Wal-Mart and that Wednesday was his day off.

    "She said he was a good kid," Sgt. Beaudreault said.

    Sgt. Beaudreault said the deaths of the two suspected robbers will be referred to a grand jury. But it is unlikely that a grand jury will indict Mr. Howard because state law allows a person to use deadly force to prevent being robbed.

    State law also does not require that someone retreat before using deadly force to defend themselves in their homes, cars or places of business.
     
  2. notdku

    notdku Administrator Staff Member

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    So nice. Glad I live in Texas. Makes complete sense to keep increasing the lethal ability of a citizen to defend their property and themselves. Once you start instilling fear into criminals it seems logical crime will decline.
     

  3. 1984cj

    1984cj New Member

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    Shouldn't it be referred to as a "Self Defense Weapon"
     
  4. Bidah

    Bidah New Member

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    Sheesh. I did not know that security guards were allowed the use of fully automatic weapons. Sounds like he used a semi-auto rifle to me, not an Assault Weapon..

    I know, I know.. :)

    -Bidah
     
  5. Chuck

    Chuck New Member

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    [​IMG]

    SWEET!
     
  6. marinevet

    marinevet New Member

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    The need for weapons to protect our homeland is increasing as we speak. If more people would respond like this young man did, crimainals and those who choose to do harm to our country and it's citizens will not be so quick to get "froggy".
     
  7. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Yeah, he was a real gem. Boo frigin' hoo.

    As it should be.
     
  8. dglockster

    dglockster New Member

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    Later reports confirmed that the "assault weapon" was an SKS.
     
  9. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Looks like someone needs a little more time on the range.
     
  10. rickrem700

    rickrem700 New Member

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    Self defence

    If criminals knew they only had a fifty percent chance of walking away, I'm sure crime would be down 70 % the other 30 % would die of stupidity!!!
     
  11. smith.ross

    smith.ross New Member

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    Self defense is indeed a major area of concern today. I believe its never too late to familiarize yourself with the latest techniques and equipments. There are numerous resources out there I found defendingusa.com particularly useful.
     
  12. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

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    I like you way of thinking.
     
  13. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    "Good kid" must not mean what I thought it meant, cuz this isn't the first time I've heard it used under similar circumstances.:confused:
     
  14. skullcrusher

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    True, Benning, true. Just once I'd like to hear, "Kid was a bad seed. Ran with thugs and sluts. I tried my best, but the stupid kid never listened to anyone. I should have beat him more." :)
     
  15. cpttango30

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    This may just be my evil vendictive side but shouldn't the 3 suspect have 2 counts of murder or mansaughter on his head as well? I mean two of his buddies did bite the dust in the commission of a fellony? I think we need to come down hard of people commiting a crime with a firearm. Like this guy did shoot them all and let god sort them out.
     
  16. roosterjuicer

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    depending on the jurisdiction he might, but it is unlikely. i think most of the time that whole "death occurred in the commission of a felony" doesn't apply to the guy who survived this situation if his partners died. however, if the guard had died, even if the bad guy who survived didn't pull the trigger or anything, he would definitely be charged with the guard's murder.
     
  17. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    It should. You got your buddy killed because you and him were up to no good. In this case I would say the guy that is still alive was the mastermind behind it all. How do we know that one of the dead guys was not the mastermind behind it all.
     
  18. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    Right again, tango. If I were the prosecutor, I would look at it like this:

    Alive guy: Take this gun, (dead guy), you need to show your meddle. If you don't, I'll kill you. Do it.


    Usually, the guy with the gun in your face is not the General.
     
  19. chopkick

    chopkick New Member

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    Yeah everytime a thug gets off'd here in the Central Valley of Ca., they have their family members all over the news talking about how the individual(s) was a loving person and was turning his life around. :rolleyes:
     
  20. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    The good guys always win. He's lucky the robber didn't know how to operate his gun. I was we were allowed to carry "assault rifles" and shotguns in our everyday life. A potential robber would think twice about robbing a mother of three at the grocery if she had an 870 slung across her back. At gunshows were everyone has a firearm everyone is polite and curtious to each other. I wonder why.:D