Arm the average American

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Banta, Oct 29, 2008.

  1. Banta

    Banta New Member

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    Though I only own one handgun (Taurus 38), I have been around hunters, gunowners and guns most of my life.

    As I have been sitting around tonight giving thought, AGAIN, to buying a 2nd piece to carry while the 38 stays at home, something different came to me. Part of me thinks I should build a mini-arsenal. I kind of think I should I have a rifle and shot gun also, though not for hunting.

    So, if you could put 3 guns into the hands of every responsible American, what would they be?

    Mind you, I'm talking about responsible Americans who would take it seriously.
     
  2. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    1911, M14, 870

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  3. bgeddes

    bgeddes New Member

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    12ga pump shotgun - first to buy

    Your handgun

    .22 rifle, feed the hoards in times of trouble

    30-30, 30-06, .270, .308 bolt action

    you gotta have a .22 or ten....
     
  4. DuckA

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    Remington 870 12ga

    A good .22 (10/22, 77/22, 597, etc)

    The good ole AK

    The battle rifle is going to be the one bit of contention. Check out a bunch of them and shoot as many as possible. Buy the one that seems the most logical to you.
     
  5. Northwoods

    Northwoods New Member

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    I've thought about this alot, Banta. My fantasy is to see every responsible American with at least 6 guns however and with at least 10,000 rounds of ammo for each gun. In Switzerland, everyone is in the "army" (actually, it is a modern version of a citizen milita - which is what this country is suppose to have but doesn't, anymore) and takes their "kit" home (full auto rifle, grenades, mortars, machine guns, ect). This system has kept them out of all the modern wars and free from centralized governmental tryanny.

    Back to the topic however.

    My six would not be specific guns, but rather specific types. Everyone has their own right to chose within the categories.

    Battle Rifle with accessories
    (bayonet, multiple sights (if desired), cleaning kit, spare parts, slings, etc)

    Pump shotgun 12 ga, extended mag or clip fed, 18-20" barrel.
    Should have shroud for bayonet and sling

    .22 rifle and semi-auto pistol with suppressor
    (must fit both guns or one detachable suppressor for each gun).

    Military type semi-auto pistol and detachable suppressor.

    Bolt action, scoped, high power hunting / sniper rifle.

    People should spend at least one day a month at the range training / practicing with one catagory of weapon. In the course of a year everybody would get two days on each weapon. This would simply be a minimum. I would, like the Swiss, like to see neighborhoods formed into squads and platoons to defend their homes. Hopefully they would train together. They would certainly elect their own officers (this is how it used to be done in this country and is still done in Switzerland). They might also chose to standardize their weapon choices and get discounts for volume purchases.

    This system would eliminate the need for Nat'l Guard and military units to move into neighborhoods and "protect" people. The "military" would already be there. They would be motivated too; afterall they would be protecting their own homes and families. I think local cops would be more integrated into their communities too, knowing that the "people" are fully capable of taking care of themselves.

    The government (at all levels) would never agree to this however, since it would be a massive loss of "Power" for them and they would end up being the servants, not the masters of the people. After all, it took the government over 100 years to get rid of this system and replace it with the "National Guard". The people would truly be more independent and self-sufficient and thus, not dependent upon the government bureaucrats for safety, food and shelter in natural disasters or "emergencies". Evacuations are seldom accomplished for the benefit of those being evacuated. They are evacuated to make them totally dependent upon the government's "kindness" and to isolate them from their own "organic" resources. It is a method to create dependency and promote docility and obedience in a subject (and defenseless) population.

    "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

    Mao Zedong



    "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."

    Louis Brandeis
    1928
     
  6. ronl

    ronl New Member

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    Mossberg 500
    AR-15 or AK-47
    Sig 229
     
  7. laynejc

    laynejc New Member

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    just my personal opinion, I would stay away from the remington 597 .22 unless they have had some majjor changes. GREAT as far as accuracy, but I have never had a mag last more than 2 loadings. 10/22 would be my pick, hi cap mags are easy to come buy, lots of options with one also.
     
  8. DuckA

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    Well, we know what opinions are like. I've put tons of rounds through mine and the only time I've had any problems was when I didn't put it together correctly even with aftermarket hi-cap mags. I don't have anything bad to say about the 10/22's, I just got a good deal on the 597. As a matter of fact, I'm planning on getting a 10/22 once I buy a few other things I want more.
     
  9. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    1911, Remington 870, AR-15.

    Suitable substitutes: Sig P226 in .40, Mossberg 590, M14.
     
  10. vanguard

    vanguard New Member

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    maverick 88, rossi 12 ga , hp 45acp ,hp 9mm carbine ,hp 380 ,phoenix 25acp ,savage 22 semi auto , heritage 22 mag ,marlin 30/30
     
  11. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    I will totally agree with Matt G, two of them are tried and true military designs and the other has feed millions of hunters and their families
     
  12. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    The 870 is a tried and true military/LE design.
     
  13. metal408

    metal408 New Member

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    haha good question!

    AK-47, Glock G19 (burry that **** in the sand and it goes 'bang' everytime), Mossberg 500.
    gotta have all three man Assault secondary hand gun, and the Shotty for any of the ****heads that just dont wanna "stay down." pistol grip of coarse...
    :p
     
  14. dragunovsks

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    I wasn't sure if it was a military design or not and since I won't speak on behalf of something for which I do not know, I left it out.

    But now I know!! Thanx MATT!
     
  15. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    It's not a military design per se, but it is used by all 4 branches as far as I know.
     
  16. sharpshooter1432

    sharpshooter1432 New Member

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    guns you should look into

    The tarus p1911 and the tarus p24/7 are both affordable and very accurat guns I own one of both for a rifle i like ar15 ar10 and ak47 with an accasional 30-30 for an unexpierenced person a 22 is great to learn on thanks for reading this.
     
  17. Laufer

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    Being a relative novice, my suggestion for the best value is an SKS.
    The grenade launcher on the Yugo makes it heavier, awkward to carry if you like carbines.
    Norincos don't have this impractical stuff.

    About the best value in a bolt-action might be the Mosin Nagant 91/30 or 44, 38 (the corrosive ammo is still cheap and is very quick/simple to clean). The Yugo Mausers cost little more, although the ammo is not so cheap, but as you might know, 8mm is much more common than 7.62x54R.

    If money is no object, as others state, an AK. You might enjoy shopping at "Classicarms Inc." (exc. service). "Jgsales" also.
    "7.62x54R" has good MN info, among others. "Collecting and Shooting the Surplus Military Rifle". Let's not forget "SKSboards" (many of these guys KNOW the various SKS models intimately: Yugo, Chinese, Russian, Albanian, East German etc), and you might enjoy the 'surplusrifle' forum.

    Mini 14/30, two MN 44s and the solitary SKS.
    (plus the forlorn, ancient Savage .22).
     
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  18. supergus

    supergus New Member

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    12 ga, handgun, semi auto rifle, bolt action rifle. MAke sure you have a .22 in there somewhere with a sh!tload of ammo. Worse case scenario (SHTF)
    .22 ammo will be like cigarettes in prison. Perfect for bartering.
     
  19. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    Ahhhh...the proverbial SHTF scenario?

    Hmmm...a handgun = something you can handle and shoot accurately and quickly (9mm up to .45 ACP) - keep in mind that the 9mm and .45 ACP would be the easiest rounds to find later on (except for .22LR).

    A shotgun = something in 12 GA, pump would probably be a little more robust if you had to move alot, less susceptible to dirt and water than a semi.

    Lastly, though a few have mentioned semi-autos like AR's, SKS, M14 - I'm a little torn on this one. I think I would probably go with something with a bit longer range, accuracy, and knock-down power. Again, caliber wise, I think it would probably be something in NATO, most likely .308. The reason being, with the longer range, you can stay away from the hordes of invading zombies, be able to take just about any game for food, again - bolt action would be a little less susceptible to jamming, etc. And if need be, you'd be able to reach out and touch "something" to gain additionalammo/weapons/equip/food/shelter/etc.

    So, not too different than most. Then again, a good .22LR or .22Mag would be able to do alot of the same, would be lighter to carry and quieter to operate - specially if you picked up a 'can' for it;)

    Slo
     
  20. Dillinger

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    How did I miss this one?!?! :eek: Must have hit while I was on vacation.

    Okay, assuming a real SHTF scenario, I think you need 4 weapons at your home, bunker, tree stand, whatever.

    1911: It's proven, it's reliable, it's been in service over 100 years & the .45 caliber round will put someone in the dirt quickly and effectively. There is plenty of ammo available in scavage locations like police stations, military depots, sporting goods stores, etc.

    .12 Gauge: Same as above. Perferably a pump action, though I personally own a gas operated one. I feel the pump action ( like the 870 or the Mossy 500 ) can be worked on in the field should the need arise. Ammo - same as above.

    AR-15: ( with a .22lr conversion bolt and mag ) Plenty of ammo available for both the .223/5.56mm and the .22lr ( the conversion kit is cheap and easy to install - great for hunting small game ) and the rapid follow up shots from a well tuned AR could be needed in a Pursuit Break while setting up for Escape & Evade.

    .308 ( or Larger ) Boltgun: You need the ability to reach out and touch someone/something with enough authority to put their pee-pee in the muddy stuff. .308 ammo is readily available and it has the mid range power to dump a Zombie or a large game animal for food. They make several break down models that can be packed in a normal backpack. :D

    JD