Are zombies bad for America?

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  1. jimogden1984

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    http://www.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=22995&external=2372897.proteus.fma


    Is watching "The Walking Dead" seriously hurting American society?

    I would argue 'Yes.' Hate me all you want, or call me paranoid and misinformed, but there is one common theme that is pervasive in American pop culture today: violence. Even more specifically, zombie violence. The idea of a zombie-infested world inspires fantasies of monsters possessed by an uncontrollable rage to kill, and viewers get a thrill imagining what it would be like to participate in this new world order.

    We also see this zombie obsession in many videogames. Even more disturbingly, these games create environments for young children, in which they are exposed to an imaginary world where they get to play with firearms and place themselves in dangerous situations that they find exciting. And studies have shown that these videogames can sometimes condition people, especially young children, to be apathetic towards violence. That's why they're labeled M for Mature.

    This obsession with the undead in television and other media is quite puzzling. The concept of zombies has been around for decades, and their mythology has even been studied by scientists to prove that such an outbreak can never occur. Yet, whether it be in books or film, zombie popularity has only increased after having originally been popularized by the 1960s film, "The Night of the Living Dead."

    Now, it seems that zombies on television are part of our daily routine. The obsession also permeates into other facets of our lives, such as with so-called Zombie Runs, in which people dressed as zombies chase other "civilians" to make them run faster towards the finish line. Even scientists at the National Institutes of Health have spent time creating an apocalyptic how-to guide on dealing with a zombie outbreak.

    Give me a break. As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you're dead, you're dead. Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hoards and more focused on harnessing the tools that we need in order to enhance our lives, whether it be music, education, science or the classics. Entertainment should help us soothe our brains so that we can ease our minds of some of the stress from our daily lives.

    With this country heading towards a socialized system of government, in which officials don't want you to think or focus on what is important for your own personal growth, I'm sure they're more than happy to let you obsess over something as stupid as zombies.

    And in turn, you ultimately become the zombie.

    Wake up and smell the coffee. Stop obsessing over eating brains, and focus on cultivating your own.
     
  2. Mason609

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    The concept of Zombies has been around for much longer than "decades". So, minus 1000 points for lack of research.

    The NIH and CDC have put out "Zombie preparedness" guides that are nothing more than basic emergency plans - in hopes that more people will be better prepared of, say, another Katrina or another Sandy or any other natural disaster. If you read more into the websites on the purposes for this, you would see that - and that it's actually getting out to many more people than previously. Minus another 1000 points for (again) lack of research.

    The "violent tv, movies and video games cause violence" studies aren't 100% truthful. Like most studies/polls, they are made and spun to get the results they are looking for. There are plenty of other studies proving them to be wrong.

    http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/09/18/violence-video-games-a-weak-meaningless-correlation/

    On a side note, a statement from a member of SCOTUS....

    Unless you only look up a few "studies" and don't bother verifying their validity.

    For continuing lack of research, I'm going to minus another 100,000 points.

    Also, on none of these Zombie runs has anybody resorted to any kind of violent actions (like someone actually severely injuring or killing a participant dressed as a zombie).

    I don't hate you, nor do I think you are paranoid. I do, however, KNOW you are misinformed and think that you lack the drive to do the appropriate level of research (or, you are blatantly excluding any findings that don't support your fallacy).
     

  3. hawkguy

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    i agree somewhat, but zombies aren't as much a problem as zombie parents!

    it shouldn't matter if super violent shows are available, a decent parent should be screening their kids form violent movies and games. it isn't hard, my parents just sent sent me to the room when they needed to. :confused:

    our culture praises and glorifies violence, but this isn't a new development. the vicious and evil mafia gangsters of the 30's were and still are pop culture heroes. we were always fascinated with cowboy shoot outs in the old west! now it has just switched to gang banging culture and violent movies and video games.

    the bigger problem is the crumbing of the american family and the absence of male role models. one might go ahead and throw in mood altering drugs to the sh!tpile!

    movies and games and even pop culture WILL NOT trump a good family environment 95% of the time.

    as far as a negative impact and being brain numbing to the populace in general, well.....the next survivor or american idol waits to do that. zombies are just the latest fade in the chain of brain numbing distractions, after the zombie buzz is long one, there will be some other creation on the idiot tube to waste our lives away.

    and i kinda like the walking dead.....
     
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  4. Mason609

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    I know many people, to include myself, that grew up watching violent movies that have never turned violent. My parents divorced when I was little, and I spent most of my pre-teen life going between living with either parent, my grandparents or and aunt or uncle, basically, my home life wasn't ideal. And yes, I got to watch all the scary, bloody, violent movies I wanted. And I turned out to be a well adjusted young man.

    I do agree that youth violence has more to do with parenting than it does with entertainment, but it's not so much parents letting their kids watch/play violent media, as it is actual disciplining them (time outs don't work).
     
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    When SCOTUS says something isnt "proven" for lega; purposes that doesnt mean it isnt so. "Proven" is a very high bar to meet.
     
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  6. jimogden1984

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    It's just something I saw on the Fox News website and found interesting. I like the walking dead and shows like it as much as anyone. The point I paid the most attention to is how people need to get off the couch and do something with their mind other than play video games all day and watch TV. I don't believe that the games create real life violence.
     
  7. hawkguy

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    well said. for every argument, there is a counter argument. especially in a field which can become somewhat subjective, like psychology.
     
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  8. hawkguy

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    i agree, but isn't this more a statement against ALL distractions that create a sedimentary and mind numbing lifestyle?

    this extends WAY beyond zombies, which are the flavor of the month.

    and i honestly DO think violent games and movies can encourage violent behavior in the the RIGHT individual.....but i also think strong family support would normally counter act that effect.
     
  9. hawkguy

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    add me to the list! my parent would let me watch movies with people hacking each other to pieces, but would often make me leave at the slightest hint of nudity.....:confused:....funny, but i feel completely the opposite about my kids.

    i feel ANY discipline is better than NO discipline, as long as it comes from loving your children and teaching them right from wrong....one of the biggest problems today....blaming everyone and everything else for your kid's behavior.

    also open communication with your children helps a lot....statements like "you know this isn't real" and "in real life killing is much different" while you are watching something violent is also very important imo.
     
  10. magnumman

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    I don't think we should have to censor our entertainment because of how it may cause a select few to act. People who are violent by nature are going to find justification and encouragement for their actions regardless of what shows the watch or games that they play. These people could just as easily be inspired to do terrible things by looking at a history book.

    Also, if you are prepared for the zombie apocalypse, you are prepared for anything IMO. If these stupid tv shows make people become prepared for disaster, even if it is a unrealistic one, then something good has come out of it.
     
  11. eatmydust

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    My only concern with the "Zombie Craze" is that certain fringe elements (sociopaths and other troubled minds) are being desensitized to the violent and graphic scenes of humanoid forms being disposed of, by any means necessary, and in very large numbers.

    My fear is, that innocent bystanders will fall victim to deluded individuals and or groups because of these apocalyptic enactments.
     
  12. deadsp0t

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    As stated zombies are a trend and lately a 'fad'. If you actually pay attention to the walking dead there's way more drama then violence, a common observation of many viewers.

    This violence in tv is nothing new, Tom and Jerry were trying to literally kill each other every Saturday morning as well the coyote and road runner, Daffy Duck and Marvin the Martian and Elmer Fudd and Bugs Bunny to some extent. Theses were all geared for children, there are many other examples.

    My point, we have stop trying to control games, tv, movies and music and start controlling ourselves and our young impressionable children.
    Regardless of what entertainment is available we have to be involved with our children and their education falls in to this as well. These things are OUR responsibilities, NOT the government or entertainment industry.

    There is nothing in video games, tv shows or movies that violates 1A, or anyone's rights.

    Let's stop fighting this in wrong direction and start looking at ourselves as parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, sisters and brothers and take responsibly, stop depending on others(tv, movies, games) to teach and raise our kids.

    As I'm typing this my two year old daughter is sitting with me, we are going to the zoo Saturday morning..
    Rant over.
     
  13. Mason609

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    Sorry, but sociopaths are already desensitized, they don't need an external source. As for troubled minds, violent TV, movies, games, or whatever are no more than just a scapegoat.

    Thousands of years before TV and video games came out, there were sociopaths and "troubled minds".

    If you believe the Bible to be historical fact, you have proof of a sociopath in Cain.

    Violent tendencies are in all of us, some of us are capable of existing without feeling the need to act upon them, while others either relish in those acts or believe they can't suppress those feelings. Before electricity, what would you have blamed it on? Violent books?

    If you believe that humans are not capable of these kinds of acts all on their own, with NO external influences (like video games, movies, TV, etc.) then you have much to learn.
     
  14. eatmydust

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    M609 - I'm not that naïve.

    I was merely answering the OP's question, and yes that is my opinion, after only 54 years on this planet. I didn't say it has not happened or that they do not already exist. I merely stated my concerns, however, I disagree with your assessment of violence on TV & in movies merely being scapegoats.

    Have a great day!
     
  15. nitestalker

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    The Zombie is just a generic bad guy. In the new Politically Correct America there are no legitimate enemies. Since the beginning of time there have been stories of heroes and enemies.
    In American culture it was Cowboys and Indians, Cop and Robbers etc. In a PC culture Indians are an abused minority and Robbers are a product of greedy Capitalism. The Zombie is for now at least not an offended group. It is OK to fight them or use them on combat targets.
    From the "OP" you can see it is only a matter of time before a Liberals will ban even this. After all it is for the children.:rolleyes:
     
  16. deadsp0t

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    For the record, it's probably the right thing to do by laying of the 'Indians', considering they are the true Native Americans and were at one time time the majority in this country and we drove them to the brink of extinction.
    Not saying we owe them, or anyone but the same respect we expect. Nothing to do with minority, and no the Redskins name is not offensive and I agree with the rest of your post.
    :cool:
     
  17. DaughterofAres

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    I like to dress up like a zombie... While I would love to take my SKS out and give it to them one by one, I do not care for the show at all!!! It's a little much.
     

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    The first year I was a zombie bride. Notice the lack of blood! lol! The other girls are awesome!
     

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    That is why we are using Zombies this politically Correct haze. The very evil White American of Euro stock. It matters not that the Indians were Asians who embraced slavery, Cannibalism and Genocide. The terrible Anglo actually saved many weaker tribes from these horrors.:rolleyes:
     
  20. deadsp0t

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    Thus the beginning of America as world police.

    Everyone know Americans would never enslave anyone :rolleyes: