Are you really ready for an armed encounter?

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by blkdragon1212, Mar 10, 2010.

  1. blkdragon1212

    blkdragon1212 New Member

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    Most of us are aware of our responsibility when we decide to carry a firearm. That responsibility should push us to continue to become more proficient with our weapons of choice. However, sadly, it has lead me to have a great deal of concern, based on my observations as a Police Firearms Instructor and Civilian Concealed Carry Instructor.

    In both cases the students are required to meet a state mandated minimun standard. This standard is not good enough in my opinion, and if you just accept it as your standard or measure you are asking for trouble.

    In the real world, we have bad guys that are not depictions of black silhouette on white paper that face you armed with nothing more than scoring rings. They don’t give you all day to shoot them with a weapon already drawn, as you lean on the range table. They are evil people who have guns, sometimes two or more, knives, clubs, with buddies who have guns with no compunction about killing you, or your family for the change in your pocket.

    This scum, usually has more experience with real world armed encounters than most police officers gain in twenty years, and practice more. They have a plan, and will work that plan, which means that you will, God forbid, be reacting to the actions they have begun. A bad situation to say the least, and a tie goes to the bad guy every time.

    What is a person to do? Well you can get away from static practice, and make your practice more realistic. This should be done by seeking out qualified instruction, seek out force on force training at every opportunity. Spend more time with “Dry Fire”. Make sure that your dry fire practice includes weapons presentation, first without a covering, coat/shirt. This will develope the proper grip of your weapon so that it is seated in your hand correctly. This will not happen overnite, I teach and have taught Martial Arts for years. I have discovered that in order for a person to learn Kata, Poomsae, or a form it must be done thirty to forty times before the student can go through the movements without prompting. It takes a minimum of three hundred reps before it starts to become automatic. Thousands of times is better! Slow equals smoothness, which in time will equal speed.

    Practice strong hand, and weak hand. You might lose the use of one, and you have to stay in the fight. Learn to load with you weak, and strong hand alone, like I said you might lose the ability to use your other hand. You can’t call time out!

    Weapons malfunction drills are a must. They may be practiced with your dry fire, but should be done at time that can be dedicated specifically to them. Dry Fire drills should be done three to four times a week, and with no more than fifteen minutes per session. Malfunction drills should be done twice a week with ten to fifteen minute sessions. Using “Snap Caps” for dry fire, and using snap caps and live ammo at the range. Safety always, by removing all live ammo from the room in which you are doing dry fire. The idea is to not have the weapon go boom! Throw in some lateral, and diagonal movement with your practice and you will be a step ahead, and closer to where you want to be.

    Then once you begin to get the hang of it, move to your concealment clothing, and do it the same way. Presentation with dry fire will save a lot of money on ammo, and might just save your life. From there you can move to your dryfire presentation from your parked vehicle. Don’t cheat either, fasten your seat belt and pretend that you are being “Car Jacked” from either side of the vehicle. If you are like me, you might decide to make another place to secure a second firearm, or two in your vehicle. You may decide that the place you are carrying your weapon on your person might need a slight adjustment.

    Don’t overlook “AirSoft” weapons in the same configuration you carry. You can find fully functional, same weight or close, with a slide that works that will allow for the use of the same type of holster. You can then set up targets, or real people in scenarios that will let your get some realistic practice. This is the force on force work that I think is so important. If it had no application, police, and military wouldn’t use it. If you question the value of it, just ask the next time you see one of our fine men/women in uniform if it had value.

    While pistol games, such as IPSC or IDPA, can be useful in providing confidence in your weapon they are not and should not be considered the “Holy Grail” in real world self-defense. The stations are often not realistic, and can lead to some bad habits. Like the improper use of cover and concealment. Realistic practice, on realistic targets. Get away from the bullseye targets as soon a possible. Remember you are shooting for combat accuracy, not bullseye accuracy. Center mass hits, and shoot until the threat is no longer there. Don’t get hung up on one shot strings, two shot strings, or three shot strings. It might take four, or more. Handguns are piss poor man stoppers regardless of size of the bullet, we need many hits to cause the blood loss to shut down the body. Head shots, when directed into the ocular-crainal cavity will close the show now, shots to other parts of the head have proven useless. Most people can’t get the job done under the stress of being attacked, and shot at.

    Most commercial ranges won’t let you draw and shoot from your concealed holster, or shoot while moving. This is where seeking out good instruction can pay big dividends.

    In short, man on man, using “Air Soft” , in special scenarios will give both confidence and give you the edge you will need to win the fight.

    Don’t overlook your physical fitness, or defensive tactics course. If you want to become a total warrior you must be able to use your body, mind, as well as your firearm. These can make you faster of mind and body. This will also give you a body better able to survive the stress, and punishment of and encounter. Let us not forget, the firearm is the last resort. Lesser levels of defense should not be overlooked. These are just a few things my students and I do. There are more, but if you take my advice you will someone I would want at my side when it hits the fan.

    Remember these, an action is always faster than a reaction. A person 21 feet away can cover that distance from a standing position in 2.5seconds, or less. If he has a knife, he can kill you before you get your weapon drawn if you don’t practice. Bad guys will have sized you up, and selected the time and place to take you. Don’t make yourself an easy target. Most importantly, an ounce of prevention, is worth a box of hollow points. A miss is always worst than a hit, and you will never be able to miss fast enough to catch up. Every bullet you shoot has a lawyer attached to it, be damned sure you will hit what you shoot at and practice to get it done. The battle avoided is better than the battle won or lost. Ego is no reason to kill or get killed, only the "All Mighty" can kill with words.

    Scott “Blackdragon” Williams
     
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  2. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    I'm interested to see how our resident Texas LEO and Moderator - Robo feels about this post. To call ISPC & IDPA "pistol games" and then endorse Air Soft practice seems a bit odd to me...
     

  3. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    Isn't there a minimum number of posts and/or supporting member status required for someone to start hawking something here?
     
  4. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    I saw on another post you seem to be pretty busy with your ancillary duties....wow. You've got my respect. How in the world do you have the time to complete your case load? When I was working I was on patrol and the "dTAC" cadre. I didn't have time to take a leak let alone do all the jobs that you've got...lol. They must have 28 hr days in Texas. What defensive tactics do you guys train in? We spent a lot of time using Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I didn't really care for a lot of the moves, but my sergeant had a hard on for Gracie family...so we were stuck.

    I have a friend who is a metro officer in Ft Worth maybe you know him? Rick Burkhart. He says he spends a lot of time with other agencies organizing firearms trainings. He told me that in Texas all the surrounding agencies like to train with each other to keep everyone consistent in case they have an incident that involves everyone.

    Stay safe,
    Darin
     
  5. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, I agree with a lot of what blkdragon1212 said. I do however put a lot of weight in competition style shooting. I mostly shoot alone though. I practice on multiple targets. I like to shoot at a range where no one else is around. I will sometimes go out when it is muddy because I know that no one else will be there. When I practice draw and dryfire in my garage I do 100 reps. When I am alone at the range I will set up three or four targets at different distances. I will draw and fire at the closest one with a double tap. Then I move on to the other targets in no particular order. I try to mix it up. Sometimes I use silouete targets of different color to set up hostage situations. I shoot while walking toward and away from targets. I do not shoot while running. I practice two handed, strong hand and weak hand. I am definately in need of more weak hand work. We never do that enough. Luckily I am left handed. I can reload with either hand.

    The one thing that everyone learns at a match shoot, is that they are no where near as good as they thought they were.
     
  6. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    Interesting point about being inside of a car. I probably need to work on that one.
     
  7. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    He's offline already....probably posting his stuff on all the other gun forums.
     
  8. gorknoids

    gorknoids New Member

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    As an agnostic, can I throw away my word-proof vest now?
     
  9. DrumJunkie

    DrumJunkie New Member

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    hmmm..It's a pretty big assumption with only a couple posts under ones belt that there are many members on this board that would need this. I wont dismiss the advice but I don't know if I cold have made this post or one like it until I had a reason to believe that there was a need for it on this forum. Even then I"m not sure...
     
  10. blkdragon1212

    blkdragon1212 New Member

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    For those of you have taken anything constructive from what I said in my post, I am glad to have contributed. However it should be noted that I am not "hawking" anything.

    I don't work for "Airsoft", I have not asked anyone to hire me, nor have I got an Axe to grind with regard to IPSC or IDPA. My opinion has no more weight than anyone else's. If you find some value in what I have said, good, if you found no value, that is good too, because it would suggest that you have all figured out.

    I on the other hand, don't have it figured out. I have shot IPSC before a lot of people on this site were born. I have also shot IDPA, and have yet to find anyone participating in those activities say they are the only training one needs for firearms self-defense.

    I have been shot at, and I have been in a gunfight. Believe me, once is enough, and it makes you think a lot about your training and attitude. I don't hold the answers to all things related to armed encounters. Nor do I apologize for stating my opinion, as I thought this forum was for that purpose. I have been wrong before, and it would seem that I am wrong again. I am not even suggesting that you have to have been in an armed encounter to be prepared to deal with one. Which was one of the reasons I wrote what I did.

    I have accomplished the thing that I wanted to do. That was to give people who really wanted to have every tool at their disposal an idea of what they might want to consider in preparing themselves. If I stepped on some toes, I did so only in the mind of those who feel their toes have been stepped on.

    If you have suggestions that contradict what I have stated, please I am all ears. If you have information, or suggestions to offer, again I am all ears. I spend a great deal of time, and money training. It most often comes out of my pocket. I have not embraced all of the information, or training that I have obtained. Nor have I attacked the instructor. I don't suggest that you accept what I have said, not without confirmation. However, I have learned valuable information from each of my instructors. Having said that, I am here to learn too! I am aware of the vast number of years of experience here. That is why I signed up.

    I don't know any of you personally, so nothing I have stated should cause anyone any undue concern. I don't think anyone here knows me, because if you did you wouldn't have come at me the way some of you did.

    The things I teach, and do are not my things. They were learned because other people taught them to me. I am grateful for that, and so I am passing them on. Say what you will about me, I have developed a pretty thick skin in my 54 years. I have had people really mad at me, those are the ones who tried to run me over with their cars, beat me with clubs, and shove bullets up my nose. I think I can take a few attacks of the verbal nature.
     
  11. njjohnson

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    I'm curious. How often, if at all, will/does the mere presence of a firearm dissuade an attacker who may or may not be carrying as well?
     
  12. rifleman1

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    training is good for some people, but my aunt who is pushing her late sixty's is carrying a concealed weapon as i type this. and has been for over twenty years shes not about too go out and jump around and shoot bb's at her friends but she does go to the range and shoots and still hitting target pretty descent.so i hope they dont they tighten up the shooting qualifications any more then they have too.because in a lot of cases good people who cant do fast draws and two person shoot out scenarios because of age or health might be left unarmed completely.its already hard enough here in california so in my opinion no more regulations please.
     
  13. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I would imagine that a lady in her sixties suddenly pulling a gun and shooting would have a huge surprise advantage. She would go from looking like easy prey to suddenly turning into a very scary proposition! If she knows how to draw and fire she is probably way ahead of half of the people who carry.
     
  14. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I'm sixty years old and I ain't Rambo, but I am a vet and have proven hard to kill. I may wind up dead because I can't do all that ninja/tactical stuff. Then again, I may just shoot some zombie dead where they stand. ;)
     
  15. ThorsHammer

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    I have a feeling that even though you are not tacticool you could eff some bad guys up just by knowing how to keep your cool. Since you're a vet, that comes naturally and I wouldn't want to be that zombie in your sights. Personally, I prefer to knock the zombies out with the car door as I drive by, but that's just me. ;)
     
  16. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I'm thinking I decided to start carrying because I am not a ninja. But I shoot and reload enough that I should probably be a partner at Hodgden by now!
     
  17. CA357

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    I am not a combat vet and don't mean to give that impression. I am just a vet. However, I have had some close encounters with firearms in my life. ;)
     
  18. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    There is nothing more intimidating than having a gun pointed at you. And if the individual expresses the ability to handle that weapon, it is even more intimidating.

    "Do ya feel lucky punk......Well, do ya!!"
     
  19. stalkingbear

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    I'm too old, fat, and stoged up to go jumping around shooting at people with plastic BBs but I'm confident I could handle myself in a "situation"-in fact I have in the past.
     
  20. CA357

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    I'm finding that one of the benefits of growing older is having gained real world experience in various areas.