Are Rifles always better than Handguns?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by rman598, Dec 8, 2013.

  1. rman598

    rman598 New Member

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    I know a rifle bullet travels a lot faster than a pistol's, but is it always for effective? Ive heard that hanguns only punch holes and rifles are the best you can use to stop someone but lets say at close range would 45 cal or a 44 have more stopping power than a 223/556. The handguns are throwing over 200 grains while the rifle is about 60 grains. Which would stop someone at close range better.
     
  2. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Rifles are better at longer distances and pistols are better closer in. I would put that threshold at 25 yards myself. That having been said it has long been said that the .223/5.56 rounds used by the military is insufficient to stop threats, but that is using FMJ 55-62 grain bullets as I recall. I know of guys who have been in combat who say they would shoot the bad guys and couldn't tell if they scored a hit despite knowing that they must have owing to their marksmanship.

    Pistol rounds smaller than 9mm/.380 are less effective as man-stoppers. The bigger the chunk of lead you throw downrange the more "stopping power" it has.
     

  3. Jstrong

    Jstrong New Member

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    Handguns are for when you can't carry a rifle,I would much rather have a rifle in any circumstances including CQC,just make it a short barreled rifle
     
  4. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    at close range a .223 will outperform a 44 mag easily.

    if the 44 is close range and the 5.56 is at 400 yards the 44 will win.

    so it depends.

    rifles always trump handguns unless your talking something like a 22lr or 17hmr or something silly like that or unless the pistol is ridiculous like the 500swmag where the pistol is chunking lead in the same category as a rifle.

    the break point where pistols edge into rifle territory is about 1500fps.
     
  5. nitestalker

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    Wounds from small bore handguns are very often fatal. The small caliber handguns do not often exit the victim. The small caliber weapons enter the body and expend their energy moving about tissues and organs causing massive damage.
    Rifles depend more on shock and hydraulics induced by a smaller high velocity projectile. Rifle bullets tend to tumble when entering a target causing extensive tissue damage. Bullet tumble refers to a destabilized bullet after striking a target. The bullet is rotating its base not folding over as it travels.
    Larger low velocity pistol bullets depend on creating an extensive wound channel and exerting heavy energy against a target. Heavy bullets are more likely to damage bones and connective tissues before exiting the wound.:eek:
     
  6. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    IMO, the intendend usage dictates the firearm needed for the application.

    in some cases, they can be used interchangeabily. some cases, but not all.
     
  7. nitestalker

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    The .44 Mag. 240 gr. bullet can develop 311 FPs at 500 yards. The 5.56 round can develop about 300 FPs at 500 meters. The chances of hitting a 500 yd. target with a 5.56 mega-times greater.
    The 5.56 MM Military round must be able to penetrate a standard helmet at 500 meters. I really doubt the .44 pistol bullets fired from a rifle would do that? I really doubt the ability to hit that target with a .44.:confused:
     
  8. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Given the choice, I would ALWAYS opt for the rifle of ANY handgun caliber. I have seen several people shot at close range with an AR. They DROP. Any sort of torso shot is VERY incapacitating. The trauma is massive. The ony thing better inside 25 yards is a 12 ga w/OO buck
     
  9. Donn

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    If there's gonna be a gunfight, bring something that takes two hands to carry and operate. It ain't one of Murphy's Laws, but it oughta be. When I was in-country, we had a word for anyone who brought a handgun to a fire fight. Dead.
     
  10. WebleyFosbery38

    WebleyFosbery38 New Member

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    Yo BRO (Ha I loved to hate Ft Riley the entire time I was there), Thank you for your service even if you had to spend time there or the sandbox!

    I agree rifles are awesome if your prepped and ready but sometimes you just dont have space in your pockets for a Carbine! And the speed of the bullet is less a concern than the quickness of the draw in most civilians lives. They dont often walk around the 'Ville with their weapon at the ready!

    Why choose one over another anyway? You dont always wear a raincoat yet it could rain! Just as weather dictates the dress of the day, your ability to pack heat and the possible threat dictates one over the other. Sadly, unlike when I was a kid, you really cant walk around with a rifle anymore in NY unless youve got a tag on your back and in the field, youre gonna get a hassle for sure! A nice little 38 special is probably gonna draw less attention!
     
  11. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Here's a good rule of thumb, and it applies to most tools and a lot of other stuff, not just guns;

    A tool may do one thing extremely well. But it probably won't be very versatile. Another tool will do lots of things, but none of them extremely well. Almost never can you get one tool that has both above conditions.

    Also, you might have one tool that does one thing extremely well, and another tool that does A DIFFERENT thing extremely well. But neither of them will do the other's thing extremely well.

    Hopefully, that's not confusing. And I know there are exceptions.
     
  12. WebleyFosbery38

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    Kinda the same theory as "Universal Replacement Parts", if they work on everything, they probably dont work on anything very well. Performance always suffers to accommodate ubiquity!
     
  13. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Right, those generic toilet replacement parts come to mind. What a PITA they are.
     
  14. WebleyFosbery38

    WebleyFosbery38 New Member

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    Right you are, works the same way in life. All things being equal, they never are nor should they be. The only way to equalize the wonders life has to offer for everyone is to assure mediocrity for all!
     
  15. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    one thing i have found is those "universal" parts, never fit what i own!:mad:
     
  16. rman598

    rman598 New Member

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    Were you in the military? If so thankyou for serving and can you tell me that story
     
  17. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    29 years Law Enforcement
     
  18. SSGN_Doc

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    5.56 55gr FMJ

    [ame="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dOYPxiRldaE"]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dOYPxiRldaE[/ame]

    .45 ACP 230gr FMJ

    [ame="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3G-txVKnVjY"]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3G-txVKnVjY[/ame]

    .45 ACP 230gr Hydrashok

    [ame="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OwAbIdamK2A"]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OwAbIdamK2A[/ame]

    .223 Federal Triple shock 55gr

    [ame="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2m2vaJCBQTs"]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2m2vaJCBQTs[/ame]
     
  19. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    The high pressures coming from a rifle will do so much more damage to human tissue than any handgun caliber. Just poke and pull is the way :D
     
  20. dwmiller

    dwmiller Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Yep this is the reason the military is so hot on "improving" the M4! I have personally put multiple rounds on target at close range with M4 and had said target fire back at me! Ended engagement when I stopped, aimed, and headshot. Stupid mistake on my part, they gave me a purple heart because of it !?! Center of mass shooting my ***! :rolleyes:

    FMJ military ammo does NOT expand like a good hunting bullet. Genieva convention stuff about undue cruelty to the target!!! Also barrier penetration, clothing penetration comes into play. It tends to punch clean holes with little energy transfer. The videos above show that the largest wound cavity happens when the bullet mushrooms and expands, transferring part of its energy to the target. Pass through in the lung area does not hit much dense tissue unless it strikes bone. Very little energy transfer from a lung pass through, the air in the lungs absorbs a lot of it. Also target may have ingested a "pain deadening" chemical, may not even notice being shot for some time. The key work here is some "time". if the target can still fire back that's all the time he needs! Something to think about.

    Says a lot that my carry pistol is a 44 mag Ruger Redhawk 4" ????

    FYI my carry rifle/hunting rifle is now a 6.8 SPC 16" barrel. The difference in stopping power and ballistics is increadable! :D
     
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