[etjoyride]

Alright, some of ya'll probably saw my post in the new members section about building an AR starting next month when i turn 18.

Well, now my parents are saying that they don't want me to get one because it is basically a machine gun (the looks, they understand that it is a semi-automatic). Now I already own (well legally i guess they own them) shotguns, a deer rifle, and a 10/22. My mom says that it's different because this semi has the ability to easily kill a deer (or person for that matter), and doesn't like that, as well as her not liking its looks.

Now my reasons for building this are currently Target, Hogs, and Varmint, as well as self defense if it ever comes to that.

What i'm asking from you all is any literature or information that might help sway their minds (my step-dad is very pro gun/ hunting, in fact he's the one that got me into shooting so i'm kind of surprised it has come to this). Please don't say that i should wait until i'm out of the house or something like that. I can't afford to move out at 18, i'm still in high school, and i love my parents. Also, by the time that i do move out I have a feeling it will be much harder to purchase a lower....

Thanks in advance!

Also, I have done hunters safety training and whatnot and have been around guns for over 10 years, so it's not as if i don't know what i'm doing.

 

[junho806]

we really can't do anything to change your parent's mind
if its your parent's wish you should honor them

but since their judgment is based off of stereotype of AR-15 what you can do it try to break them and see if that changes their outlook on AR-15's
although it does "look" like a machine gun it really isnt...
there's alot of fine print and law regulating that kind of stuff and no civilian can own a "machine gun" legally(only in highly regulated and special cases perhaps)
first off its semi-automatic...no different from many of the hunting rifles you may have used
not really sure the exact details though

one of our members probably knows all the fine print so they'll help you out a little more than i can

 

[Txhillbilly]

ET,Sorry to here about your problem. You might want to show your folks the AR's that Remington is producing as a hunting/sporting rifle. It is the same AR as any other,they have just put a neat camo coating on it to take away the "evil black rifle" look. Maybe they will change their minds about them.

 

[Txhillbilly]

there's alot of fine print and law regulating that kind of stuff and no civilian can own a "machine gun" legally(only in highly regulated and special cases perhaps)

Junho,I hate to say,but you are incorrect. It is legal for a civilian to own a machine gun in many states,you just have to do the paper work,and pay the BATFE tax,wait-wait-wait,and then have enough money to buy one in the first place-the machine gun had to be registered before the deadline in 1986 and so there are not many available and the ones that are are very expensive.

 

[bkt]

If they understand the round an AR-15 fires is less powerful than a hunting rifle which they don't object to, and they understand it is NOT a "machine gun" that "sprays bullets", and basically all they don't like about it is the way it looks, then you're probably screwed. I grant you they are not being logical and they are letting emotions trump rational thought. But that's the way most of the world operates most of the time.

Maybe you can meet up with someone locally who owns one and invite your dad out to shoot it with you. If he sees what an AR-15 is -- and isn't -- he might change his mind.

While you live in their house, you follow their rules. That goes for anyone's house you live in. Once you're in your own place, you're golden.

 

[junho806]

Junho,I hate to say,but you are incorrect. It is legal for a civilian to own a machine gun in many states,you just have to do the paper work,and pay the BATFE tax,wait-wait-wait,and then have enough money to buy one in the first place-the machine gun had to be registered before the deadline in 1986 and so there are not many available and the ones that are are very expensive.

well i was speaking for Georgia here which isn't Texas
our laws are stricter than yours
and i guess i should have chosen my words better when i read it now it doesn't make sense
if you look at what was in parenthesis which encapsulated all the jazz about getting paper work done and paying lots of money
the whole special case and regulations part i mean...
sorry for the confusion

 

[etjoyride]

Alright, well I'll try showing them the new remington AR tonight.

A friend of mine jus got an AR about a week ago, i'll see if he wants to go out next weekend and shoot it.

bkt- it's kind of between the two things you mentioned. They don't like that it's a semi-automatic thats more powerful then my 22, even though it's weaker then my bolt action .270. I might try mentioning that they make semi-auto hunting rifles and see how that goes...

 

[genie]

You might start out with a Ruger Mini-14, same caliber as an AR-15, similar shooting characteristics, high-cap mags typical, gas-operated, just like a "machinegun", but looks like a nice little carbine with wood stocks. Convince the parents it's a "nice-looking" AR-15. Then later, "slide" on into ownership of an AR.........

 

[druch]

Try finding a picture of a Ruger 10/22 that has been decked out like an AR or AK on the web and ask them if they would object to you having it. If they say no, show them its the same rifle you have, just with different clothes. If they say its ok then show them again its just the same with different stock.

Then try and show them that the AR is just another hunting, plinking, fun gun as the others but dressed out different.

-don

 

[ClevelandRocks]

There's a GANG of people who should not own an AR-15!!! I'm not suggesting you're one, but again, there's a GANG of people who should not own an AR-15!!! Problem is........who decides and what's the criteria? I spent 67-71 as Sergeant in the Marines so I consider myself very qualified. STILL, I know a GANG of guys at the VFW who are mentally, socially, incomptetent. When I used to shot at the range in Cleveland, I'd say 50% of the people there had no business possessing firearms. Out here in the country, the folks are MUCH more qualified and the local gun club doesn't take crap from it's members. SOOOO, when you get your own place you'll relish the privilidge of making your own rules. Until then.................I won't even say it!

 

[KingTiger]

Here's a link to an ad for a machine gun. The decimal point gets moved to the right one place for it vs an AR-15.

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/...sults_format=long&db_id=14329&query=retrieval

BTW - Machine guns are legal in Georgia. So are silencers. I'll be at Creekside this Sat. exercising both, come on out & join the fun.

 

[Vertiviper]

I think you should be honest and say that you've shown them that you're responsible enough to build it, based on owning the others you have.

 

[etjoyride]

There's a GANG of people who should not own an AR-15!!! I'm not suggesting you're one, but again, there's a GANG of people who should not own an AR-15!!! Problem is........who decides and what's the criteria? I spent 67-71 as Sergeant in the Marines so I consider myself very qualified. STILL, I know a GANG of guys at the VFW who are mentally, socially, incomptetent. When I used to shot at the range in Cleveland, I'd say 50% of the people there had no business possessing firearms. Out here in the country, the folks are MUCH more qualified and the local gun club doesn't take crap from it's members. SOOOO, when you get your own place you'll relish the privilidge of making your own rules. Until then.................I won't even say it!

My parents know that i'm trustworthy and can handle firearms. I've shot pretty much everything smaller then a .50 cal in pistols, rifles, and shotguns. I've actually been told i'm more responsible then my stepdad by an instructor out at the local shooting range.


I'm going to try and have a sit down and talk to them the next time my step-dad is home from work at a relatively early time.

 

[ClevelandRocks]

There's really only one purpose for an AR-15 and that's to kill people. My Rem 700 BDL w/Leupold scope chambered for .308 will shot circles around my AR. Join the Marines, they'll issue you a full-auto version, allow you to sleep with it, and ship you off to a far way destination where killing folks yah don't even know is encouraged and rewarded. When you come home, you'll know if you need one, are capable of using it, and if the world will somehow be a better place with one in your hands.

 

[DuckA]

well i was speaking for Georgia here which isn't Texas
our laws are stricter than yours
and i guess i should have chosen my words better when i read it now it doesn't make sense
if you look at what was in parenthesis which encapsulated all the jazz about getting paper work done and paying lots of money
the whole special case and regulations part i mean...
sorry for the confusion

I'm also speaking for Georgia, and it is absolutely legal to own a "machine gun" here. Same rules as the guy from Texas mentioned.

 

[DuckA]

There's really only one purpose for an AR-15 and that's to kill people. My Rem 700 BDL w/Leupold scope chambered for .308 will shot circles around my AR. Join the Marines, they'll issue you a full-auto version, allow you to sleep with it, and ship you off to a far way destination where killing folks yah don't even know is encouraged and rewarded. When you come home, you'll know if you need one, are capable of using it, and if the world will somehow be a better place with one in your hands.

Are you smoking crack? What makes the AR special? The 700 is based off of a bunch of different bolt action rifles built for the military to kill people more efficiently. With your logic, the 700 only has one purpose and that's to kill people.

 

[DuckA]

There's a GANG of people who should not own an AR-15!!! I'm not suggesting you're one, but again, there's a GANG of people who should not own an AR-15!!! Problem is........who decides and what's the criteria? I spent 67-71 as Sergeant in the Marines so I consider myself very qualified. STILL, I know a GANG of guys at the VFW who are mentally, socially, incomptetent. When I used to shot at the range in Cleveland, I'd say 50% of the people there had no business possessing firearms. Out here in the country, the folks are MUCH more qualified and the local gun club doesn't take crap from it's members. SOOOO, when you get your own place you'll relish the privilidge of making your own rules. Until then.................I won't even say it!

There's a GANG of people that shouldn't be allowed to use anything even kind of pointy!!!!! There is also a GANG of people that shouldn't be allowed to use the intrawebz!!!!!!

 

[robocop10mm]

Show your parents you are responsible enough to own an AR-15. Find someone who owns one and learn about it. Go to the range and shoot it until you are fairly proficient. Invite one or both of your parents to the range to give them a demo of the gun and your abilities with it.

If all else fails, respect their wishes. It is their house and their rules. Once you are on your own and have your own place, you can do as you wish. Even if you consider them to be closed minded and basically wrong, it is still their house.

 

[junho806]

I'm also speaking for Georgia, and it is absolutely legal to own a "machine gun" here. Same rules as the guy from Texas mentioned.

again...i reiterate...
i used the wrong words
i meant the "average" civilian can't just get a machine gun without some trouble
lots of money and paperwork are required
shouldn't have put the "legally" there

 

[Dcomf]

Poor Richard once told us that "Force ****es on Reasons back". Seems like no matter how much you try to reason with them their ignorance prevails. Like it or not, unless you move out and/or enlist you won't be posessing an AR.