AR15 for a newbie

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by blackwolf_inc, Jan 30, 2015.

  1. blackwolf_inc

    blackwolf_inc New Member

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    Hey guys,
    My buddy is interested in getting an AR15 and price isn't an issue but he wants to make sure he's getting a good rifle for a reasonable price.

    Maybe you guys can help him, I already gave him my two cents on great manufacturers. Just want your guys opinions.

    Thanks!

    Jordan
     
  2. Sgt_Skrb_25

    Sgt_Skrb_25 New Member

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    BCM, Daniel Defense, LWRC, Colt, POF, Noveske, There's a bunch out there if price is no matter. If he wants a reasonable price, Palmetto, Spikes, Stag
     

  3. chaos2767

    chaos2767 New Member

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    Why not build one? It will also give him the education on what he is firing also he can build it to do what he wants it to do vs. having a jack of all trades, master of none rifle!
     
  4. microadventure

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    because there are hundreds of decisions to make and the expense of building a rifle piece by piece is staggering and you don't know what you really want until you have sent a few hundred or thousand rounds downrange and you don't know what combinations work and what does not and

    did you build your first car, house, rifle, airplane, without the education you need to know what you want and how to do it?
     
  5. GDWaters

    GDWaters New Member

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    I agree you should not build your first AR. My first was a basic DPMS Panther carbine. Only after many trips shooting with friends, making some modifications, and building my base of knowledge and preferences was I ready to do a build.
     
  6. Overkill0084

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    I found these extremely helpful when I was looking for my first AR:

    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f20/ar15-primer-beginners-guide-59600/
    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f20/understanding-barrel-twist-bullet-weights-44557/
    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f20/ar-15-introductions-ars-101-a-62477/

    Have a look at the stickies for each subject. A lot of knowledge & experience in them.
    There's more to it than who had their name stamped or etched on the side. Some no-name guy can build top shelf rifles in his shed, while well known brands will kick an occasional turkey out the door. Knowing what matters and what doesn't is key.
     
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  7. sweeper22

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    The best deals IMO (and that's sort of a subjective concept):

    Build or assemble: BCM or PSA. You can build or assemble pretty great rifles through these companies and get a lot of value for your dollar. Building will require $25 worth of basic tools and 30-120 minutes of time, but knowledge will be gained in the process. Assembling will require 5-40 minutes of time (even for a newbie), no out of the ordinary tools required, and is probably the best fiscal deal out there right now. I've built dozens of times over but mostly assemble of late...because it's just easier and cheaper. You can get a really nice PSA complete lower with Magpul CTR/STR/ACS stock for $220-250 (after shipping and all Xfer/BGC fees), and then add a nice BCM upper with a free BCG (top flight, $200 value) at a great price dependng on your desired specs. That deal is tough to beat.

    Complete rifles: If you want to walk out of your LGS today with it, a $650 S&W M&P Sport is tough to beat. Excellent and dependable rifle for that price. For $700-$1100, look into options from PSA and Spike's...even if it requires a special online order or short wait. At $1300-1500, Daniel Defense is tough to beat.

    The real key to getting ahead is understanding the market, the parts in play, and what your desired end product might be. That's difficult if you have minimal AR experience. Too many people buy a mostly good gun and spend $500+ getting it right for them. BTW-- I've done that myself...which is why I now build it right the first time.
     
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  8. Gunsnob

    Gunsnob New Member

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    Buy a DPMS or Carbon 15 and you will be all set.
     
  9. Turn11

    Turn11 New Member Supporter

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    Could you elaborate on this please?

    I think I know what I want, at least I have a plan and I am going down that road. As I go, I may make changes based on knowledge gained.

    I do have some experience with the AR15 platform and I have fired a number of weapons of various makes and configurations.
     
  10. fsted2a

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    You can currently get an entry level Colt in the $700-800 price range if you look hard enough. Colt has always been the industry standard. Some meet it, some don't, and some rise above it. Colt retains a bigger percentage of it's resale value just due to public name identification than any other brand, as long as you keep the parts all Colt and minimize the scratches. There are other brands out there that I believe are better, but I recommend Colt for the new guy just in case he 1. Changes his mind and doesn't want an AR any more, or 2. Gets infected with BRD (Black Rifle Disease) and wants to either plunk down money for a Daniel Defense or build his own. If either 1 or 2 happen, I believe the Colt will get him the maximum return on his money if he tries to sell the rifle.
     
  11. sweeper22

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    Sometimes plans change with experience gained. That's just fine, but it can be expensive.

    What I'm referring to is:


    • Desired use: home defense, varmint/target, light & mobile vs heavy & stationary
    • Desired barrel: length, profile, material, gas system, twist, etc
    • Sight system: irons, maybe plus red dot(?), magnified scope, etc
    • Furniture- grips, stocks, handguards
    • Misc: trigger, receiver brands, etc

    It takes a bit of experience to understand precisely what you want. For most of us, a few mistake were probably required in order to acheive that perspective...and to the detriment of our wallets. Just something to keep in mind. I'd rather you learn from my mis-haps (or someone else's) than your own.

    You'll always do better when you truly understand where you want to end up. Ammending previous expectations tends to translate to dollars lost. Buying it right the first time tends to serve folks well.
     
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  12. Gunsnob

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    Colt (not an Expanse) BCM or DD for entry level ARs or you are stupid.