OK, let's talk group size. All other discussions aside, like what gun is better than the other, this one has cool tactical stuff, blah,blah,blah, I want to know what kind of real world groups you guys are shooting. So, let me know, what size group, yardage, gun brand and barrel length, and ammo used. And don't tell me you shot 2" groups offhand at 50 yards and say it shoots great. I can do that with a wore out M44 Nagant and surplus ammo. And on the flip side please spare me the "I shot a 1" group at 300 yards offhand with my carbine using wolf ammo". I am looking for honest groups. When I finally buy an AR, it will be for precision target shooting, similar to bolt gun accuracy. I need to hear from people who aren't trying to sell me a gun to let me know how they really shoot.