AR10 v. SCAR 17S v. M1A

Discussion in 'Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion' started by KAG, Jun 1, 2011.

  1. KAG

    KAG New Member

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    Im looking to get a new semi-auto money drainer. I've decided to go .308 for many reasons, the most obvious is that I already have enough ways to use .556.

    I want to know what y'all think. Please dont compare money becasue any money spent on a gun these days can be recovered.

    I like the familiarity of the AR10. I LOVE the look of the SCAR (FNH makes some cool stuff). The M1A is bas @$$.

    However, I've never shot either, but I will handle them this weekend at the Houston gun show (hopefully).

    Lets hear what what you would get if they were all the same price!




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  2. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    There are several good 308 Semi Auto Rifles our there. The Springfield M1-A is always my favorite since I shot the M-14 Style Rifle in the Army and on the Team. But Rock River makes a nice one in the LAR-08. And it takes inch or metric FN FAL Mags that you can get at any gun show. Regarding the magazines you are not stuck at the mercy of a dedicated magazine and price. The one I have is a 16" barrel and will group at 1 MOA at 100. Never had a failure. Obviously the FN Scar is a good rifle. I like the FN Rifles. I purchased an FN-LAR NM in 1985 and it is a nice weapon. A buddy of mine has a DPMS that is a good shooter and seems to be a good rifle. There are others as mentioned. I think you are approaching it from the right view point. Go to the Show and check all of them out for your liking feel and other reasons. Do not let a dealer influence you in your selection. By bashing this one and that one over the other. Half the time they don't really know what they are talking about but it sounds like they do. They just want to push their brand to make a buck! You must select it for you! Good Luck! :)

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  3. KAG

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    I was really hoping poeple would talk about problems with shooting over the other. For instance, I dont really like the fixed stocks that come with the M1A, but of course you can change it.
     
  4. JonM

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    i dont have an ar type in 308 due mainly to the hodge podge of parts out there. if i was gonna get a ar10 type it would be a rra mainly because of the ability to use commonly available magazines.

    the scar i dont see as worth the money.

    i do own a springfield m1a and its a wonderful rifle if a touch on the heavy side. ive got a basset mount for the scope but it doesnt work as advertised. keeps shooting loose, i should have got a different mount. my intended use is purely range or as my ohshthtthfan long range rifle. i chose it to replace my remington700 xcr. its got less felt recoil than an ar10 mainly due to the heavier weight. the only issue i dont care for is the ak style mag insertion where you have to rock it back and forth and use an ak style lever to remove it. huge design flaw. reloads are relatively slow for me compaired to m1 garand, 03a3, or ar15 reloads.

    if i had to pick over would i opt for the ar10?? no i would still take the m1a. ive fired both and the m1a is just a better shooting rifle.
     
  5. goretro77

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    I have both the M1A and the SCAR 16S.

    I plan to purchase the SCAR17S. It is a very robust .308 rifle.

    The advantages of being able to swap barrels very easily, adjustable stock, full length picatinny rail, pistol grip, overall its lighter than the other .308s, this is probably because of the lighter profile barrel that the 17s come with out of factory. Its pricey but worth it in my opinion.

    I am very happy with the 16S, it gives me some strong insight to the 17S. At the moment, magazines are hard to find for the 17S but availability is getting better with time.

    Don't get me wrong, I love the M1A but the SCAR heavy (aka 17s) is a great .308 rifle.
     
  6. goretro77

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    Here's my M1A:
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    My Scar light, heavy coming soon. HK91 .308 in the background:
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  7. pagj17

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    Sorry for getting off topic, but what's that bag? I think it's want in a bag:)

    Op, the pro to an ar10 lies in familiarity, if you're familiar with an ar15 transitioning to an ar 10 things go easier. The same would be true with transitioning to a Scar-17 me thinks.

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  8. neilage66

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    ArmaLite: The original and only AR10.
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  9. drew7

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    I have an Armalite AR10A4 and love it. The magpul PRS stock gives the gun substantial weight but is manageable. Mags are not an issue and it eats everything stuffed into it. I have shot an M1A socom and like it fine. it comes down to the ergonomics. I'm more familiar with the AR style so naturally it is more comfortable for me to shoot. I have not shot the scar. I handled one at a gun shop a few weeks ago and wasn't impressed. Plastic is good for pistols but I prefer my long guns to be steel.
     
  10. ahole

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    I would go with an FAL DSA makes some of the best but an embel will do the job. I have a FN FAL and it holds a 2.5 MOA at 200 meters.
     
  11. Gloves

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    I've been on a waiting list for a SCAR 17 for 5 months with no sign of it
    ever coming in. Thanks CA. So I've decided to go with a little more CA
    friendly company.
    POF-USA's P308 an AR-10 style rifle.

    POF-USA Patriot Ordnance Factory, Inc.

    I'm going with the 20" barrel.
    The waiting period is over 18 weeks! Might as well start now, Would probably
    still be sooner than waiting on the SCAR-17

    SCAR-17
    + Would prefer this
    - I don't like how thin the barrel is
    - Don't like how proprietary all the parts are
    - Nearly impossible for me to find a CA legal version.

    POF-USA P308
    + AR10 style
    + Uses P-Mags
    + Has all the features you could ever throw at an AR style rifle
    + Other users report 1 MOA
    - Waiting sucks
    - Earlier models with questionable feed reliability
     
  12. ahole

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    Waiting Period!@! you need to relocate to a more fire arm friendly place. Waiting period here is hand the guy to cash fill out the paper work and let him make a phone call. You are probably better off with an AR10, unless you have the option of an FAL.
     
  13. pagj17

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    Haha ahole, the problem isn't the 10 'cooling off' period but instead waiting for the weapon to be shipped and sent to the dealer.
     
  14. Gloves

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    You are both right. In Comifornia there is a 10 day waiting period.

    The way I came to understand it; FN won't make their guns CA compliant.
    So in order for them to be shipped into the state, they need to be shipped
    to a 3rd party, then sold to the dealer. Why would you go through the
    hassle of do going that if you had enough buyers outside of CA?

    FN, you lost the military contract, make a CA legal version!!! ... and put
    a heavy barrel on.

    As for POF... They are so back-ordered on parts, nothing ships for 10
    weeks. Once it's in, then i get to start my 10 day waiting period. I would
    say it's good to be a gun vendor.
     
  15. ahole

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    Im going to stay right here in Mississippi where we have the 5 min cooling off period and can by 20 and 30 round mags and ammo all on the same perches. The last gun I bough was a mini 14 pre-ban 181****. It CAME WITH 6 30 ROUND MAGS AND 500 ROUNDS OF ss109 Penetraters green tip. and a wire folding stock with pistol grips. all for $600
     
  16. Outlaw1594

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    Indiana.. damn near the best gun state in the US. Don't have to wait for anything. The only thing illegal are FAs and suppressors and if you have enough cash you can get a permit for those.
     
  17. Hawk

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    I would definitely go with the M14 rifle platform. Lots of options to consider and all in the same platform. Fixed stocks, adjustable stocks, folders and what have you.
     
  18. sweeper22

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    I've been pretty happy with my DPMS. It's certainly 1MOA capable at 100yards (though I rarely am). Mags in 4, 10, and 19rd capacities are easy enough to find for under $25 each. Like most others, it seems to perform best with 168gr match ammo. I love the Federal (Sierra) Gold Medal Match, and the Federal American Eagle 168gr (for M1A) has also run well for me. Both can be found under $20/box.

    The one detraction on the DPMS is that the trigger isn't so hot (mine's very stock). But that's easily addressed.

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  19. Gloves

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    Ya, if you want a rifle that's twice as heavy! J/K
    I would love to have an M14. That's a mans rifle.
    They liked it so much, ruger made a smaller one for ladies... the Mini 14.
    J/K on that one too.

    I better stop typing before i get into too much trouble.

    SERIOUS FACE :cool:
    What cycle method does the M14 use? Gass or???
     
  20. goretro77

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    M1A uses a gas piston.

    M1A is heavier, SCAR is very light and recoil is very light.

    Like 'em both!