AR with no stock

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by fin24000, Oct 9, 2008.

  1. fin24000

    fin24000 New Member

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    OK I know Kel-Tec makes a weapon that looks kinda like an AR with no stock.... So I was wondering if anyone maybe makes a plug or something you could use on a standard lower?
    Now This is just kinda my mind wandering into things I cant afford to do but my curiosity got me on this....
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    You can build one out of any lower, provided they are legal in your area. Here in Washington they are considered "pistols" and all you need is a thread on buffer tube, which is usually encased inside the stock. You thread the buffer tube in the same way and it hangs out the end of the lower, just above the handle.

    For instance, Olympic Arms makes, or made, a model called the k23p.

    JD
     

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  3. AR Hammer

    AR Hammer New Member

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    Moron moves like this one are what's getting .223 ammo listed as 'Handgun Ammunition' around here.

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    Just what we need, more regulation on 'Handgun' ammunition.
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    Now, the actual 'Pistol' versions don't have a recoil tube and buffer/spring sticking out the back,
    They use a much shorter tube and the bolt spring is either mounted in the upper receiver it's self or is in a housing running along the top of the barrel.

    Short recoil tube version build page,
    http://www.quarterbore.com/ar15m16/postbanar15pistol.htm

    Here is a short tube link with short barrel,
    http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/sbr-aow-pistol.html
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    Here is an example of the No Tube pistol version,
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    And another No Tube version,
    http://www.olyarms.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/ar15-pistols/full-oa-98.jpg
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    Take something like this, which is useless in it's current configuration,

    Add a shoulder sling ring and an 'Aimpoint' so you can actually pick a target, and it becomes a pretty effective close combat weapon that doesn't over penetrate.

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    I had my class 3 set up that way for a while, but I've gone back to a CAR stock and vertical fore grip to make it more effective in CQB situations.
     
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  4. fin24000

    fin24000 New Member

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    AR Hammer where do you live?
     
  5. Ram Rod

    Ram Rod New Member

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    My only question is............WHY?
     
  6. fin24000

    fin24000 New Member

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    well I was thinking that if you could have MP5 Size with the 223 caliber that you could have a really nice room clearing platform, and unlike an mp5 you can make it yourself....
     
  7. Ram Rod

    Ram Rod New Member

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    Clear one room with that, and you might as well clear the whole house! LOL!
     
  8. fin24000

    fin24000 New Member

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    well whats the fun in only one room anyway?.... :p
     
  9. AR Hammer

    AR Hammer New Member

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    I live in Indiana, why do you ask?
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    It works good for an 'Entry' weapon, since the .223 won't over penetrate like a 9mm or .40 Cal will in a home with Dry wall or plaster.

    1/2" drywall will fragment a hyper velocity .223 round, especially if you are using hollow points or frangible rounds,
    Where a 147 Grain 9mm round moving at 1,000 FPS will penetrate several layers of drywall and even punch holes in the old hard plaster walls.

    The .40 Cal. MP-5 will punch through a BUNCH of paster and about 1/3 again as many sheets of dry wall as the 9mm will.
     
  10. AR Hammer

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    Something else you need to keep in mind is,

    Since this is sold as a 'Pistol',
    That under current BATFE rules, adding a shoulder stock to this makes it a Short Barrel Rifle, and that requires registration and a tax stamp. (Same as an automatic weapon)

    Adding a vertical fore end grip makes it a BATFE regulated weapon, and you will have to get the tax stamp and register it just like a machine gun...

    Save your self some grief and just register it to start with so you can do anything you want to with it...
     
  11. fin24000

    fin24000 New Member

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    Yeah well it was more of an idea that I "might" get around to" in a few months or I might not.... And I asked where you lived just as a reference on gun laws in the rest of the country. But thanks for the input on my "inquiry" :p
     
  12. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Uh no. Completely wrong. There is no difference between the pistol I showed and the ones you showed, they are from the same page as a matter of fact.

    How about trying to be less concerned insulting people and more concerned with contributing to the website?

    Actually, what is being missed by the All Knowing is that the "Pistol" designation is local to the municipality it is manufactured in. Olympic Arms happens to be produced in Washington State, the same place I live and referenced in the first post. This model pictured below is almost the same it just doesn't have a free floated tube over the barrel and the "soft squishy" cover over the buffer tube.
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    JD
     
  13. Txhillbilly

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    I have one of the Keltec pistols,and it is a pretty accurate gun. It accepts any AR magazine,and with a 30rd you can use it as a forward grip to help stabilize the weapon when fired. And it is a whole lot cheaper than an AR pistol,about half as much. I wouldn't really want to use this gun as a home defense weapon though,it is an absolute must to have hearing protection on when fired "IT IS LLLOOOUUUDDD" since it has a short barrel and you wouldn't be able to hear after you shot it indoors. I have shot it at an indoor range and everyone was complaining about it being so loud. THB
     
  14. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    What...you mean you don't want a heavy, unwieldy firearm with lowered accuracy and increased recoil?
     
  15. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    But it looks soooo cool...
     
  16. NickoD

    NickoD New Member

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    I love the fact that most pictures have a bayonet lug on the weapon. :D
     
  17. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    You mean that's NOT practical?? :rolleyes:

    Crap.... Back to the drawing board....

    JD
     
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