AR Trade Question

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by mjkeat, Jun 2, 2011.

  1. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    I have a local guy offering me this AR15 A3 Sporter National Match Heavy HBar in even trade for my Kimber Tactical II Pro w/ Galco IWB holster and 3 - 8rd mags.

    I'm not real educated on these Colts. What do you all think?

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  2. JonM

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    whats the pin above the selector on the right hand side?? thats usually where the auto-sear goes but its not coming out the otherside. a pic of the inside of the lower would be helpful.

    looks like its been modified for a rdias or auto sear. if so then its not a legal weapon to trade after the nfa parts been removed and will land ya in the pokey. once that extra hole is drilled its considered a machinegun. once the legal mg parts are removed and put in a new host or sold the host lower has to be either destroyed or sent to the new nfa owner.

    modifying a colt semi for nfa is a pretty stupid costly thing to do.
     
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  3. ktmboyz

    ktmboyz New Member

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    EHH I wouldn't but that's me.. You can build that rifle for a lot less than you can replace that Kimber.

    I like ar's but I loove my Kimbers. I guess it depends on how you really feel about it. What kind of shape is the Kimber in? and whats its value prob $8-$1100 ?? Ar value to a builder $6-$900 + acc

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  4. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    Good eye JonM. Ill have to ask him. I definitely don't want to be involved in any male on male poking lol.

    The Kimber is in great shape, it never gets any use.
     
  5. Dillinger

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    Fixed rail upper? Fixed ramp front sight? .223 caliber rated unit? Have to free float the hand guard?

    Sorry, not for me brother, that is not a trade I would make given several angles.

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  6. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    I didnt want to respond to the guy w/o doing a little research and asking questions. I dont know my Colt history very well and didnt want to pass it up to find out it was some rare/desirable model.

    Im wanting a SP-1 ish Colt w/ Colt lower and thought this might be close enough. Come to find out its not really close at all.

    Thank you all for the advice.
     
  7. Quentin

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    I would have been tempted too. Something else small, weird to see an older Colt with the Magpul trigger guard...
     
  8. Mandy

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    Check the barrel, my Colt says .223 in the receiver but the Barrel says 5.56.

    Mine doesn't have that pin either..............
     
  9. JonM

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    If it was un modified with original trigger guard and without the extra pin hole it would be an even trade value wise as it is a pre94 colt in decent condition. Colts are the only ar15 that have intrinsic value. Colt did not make a lot of the match grade ar15 back then. That is also the first ar to feature a full lengt heavy barrel. You can always spot a pre94 colt by the bayonet lug. Colt stopped using lugs after the awb of 94.

    But the drilled reciever and after market trigger guard kinda ruin the value
     
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  10. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    Thank you, everyone. I ended up passing on the offer. I will be honest I was very excited when the guy first contacted me.
     
  11. VitSports6

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    I know very little about old Colts, But that thing looks filthy in the second pic, You would think that if someone is wanting to sell/trade something they would make an effort to take good pic's as well as clean it up a tad.
    Best of luck on your search :D
     
  12. Quentin

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    That single auto sear hole sure is intriguing. I seriously doubt it was a factory booboo, they couldn't let that out even though the job was half done. I guess someone bubba'd one side then got the word "you idiot, you can't do that" before drilling the other side...

    Anyway, nice to see the pictures but scary to take a chance on it, you'd hate to be explaining to a police officer or BATFE that it came that way. And that the auto sear won't work with just one hole drilled.
     
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  13. Gloves

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    Tell him fair trade if he throws in 1200 rounds of .223

    maybe start with 2,000 rounds and let him talk you down.
     
  14. Dillinger

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    Dooooooood!! Shhhhhhhhh. Ixnay on the ersay talk in the open forum. We don't need anyone getting any ideas. :eek:

    JD
     
  15. Quentin

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    Whoops! Sorry JD, not trying to do a how-to here... :eek:
     
  16. Dillinger

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    Thanks brother, I appreciate the understanding. ;)
     
  17. Sniper03

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    mjkeat,

    I think you made the right choice at least in my opinion. You can buy a new National Match Rock River Rifle MSRP around $1200 with the NM Stainless Barrel NM Trigger and choice of 1/2-1/2 or 1/4-1/4 Rear Sight Adjustments. If you go to the National Competition at Camp Perry OH. You can get one for less than that. They run specials on NM Rifles there to support the sport. And also you can choose between the fixed rear NM Sight or the New Removable Rear Sight should you ever want to mount a scope on one later.
    Regarding the large pin that was mentioned on the right side of the Colt's receiver in the picture that is normal. Colt installed a Receiver Block in those rifles to assure no one could place an auto sear assembly in the receiver. Because unlike most AR-15 receivers which have a lot of metal in front of the take down pin. These Colt receivers do not it is completely open in that area without the block and retaining pin. A person could have possible attempted to drill an auto sear hole in the receiver and install an auto fire control unit in the rifle. With this block they can not. It is a large metal block inside the receiver in front of the take down pin held in place by the large pin you saw on the right side. It was not modified. Came from Colt that way. Info Only!

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  18. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    Sniper03, you are 100% correct. There are quite a few of these w/ the pin on the right side and block. After a reading few pages of google links this were a little clearer. The rifle was re barreled and had a new FSB w/ bayo lug installed. There are no rounds through the new barrel but I would have preferred the original barrel. So I'm still on the hunt for a "classic" Colt.

    Thanks again everybody. I really appreciate the rapid/informative responses.