AR stock question

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by dragunovsks, Dec 26, 2008.

  1. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    I have been looking around for my first AR upgrade for my AR-15A2, thinking about getting a collapsible 6-position stock for it. I have been cruising the net looking for the best deal and have found a wide variance in prices.

    My two choices are the standard 6-pos stock that comes on the DPMS Panther or the DPMS "Pardus" stock. I like the Pardus stock a little better than the other one. MidwayUSA has them listed for $59.00.

    My first question is: Will a stock like this fit on my Alpha 2?


    My second question is: Since I already have the rifle, can I buy just the stock or do I have to buy the buttstock kit that has the buffer spring with it?
     
  2. hillbilly68

    hillbilly68 New Member

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    Nope, dont need the tube and buffer, just slide the new one on.

    Need to make sure what type you have, Im not a DPMS expert but I think they use mil and not commercial tubes. Im sure someone else will have an absolute answer.

    Really personal preference when it comes to the known manufacturers for replacements. SOme are better than others, but the degree of "better" among the reputable ones is minimal. IMO, MAGPUL CTR, but thats just my pref. Anything is prolly better than the stock stocks. ;)

    Good luck
     

  3. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    DPMS makes both, but if you are buying from Brownells or Midway, you are most likely getting the civilian/commercial sized tubes. They should be able to tell you on the dimensions on the description page.

    Magpul makes a great collapsible stock, probably one of the best "production" models, but they know it and charge accordingly.

    I have just a basic 6 position with no fancy features or "amazing" name brand endorsements and it works just fine. YMMV

    JD
     
  4. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    Thanx guys, I like the Magpul stocks but don't have the money for one right now. I saw on MidwayUSA, they have a the DPMS Pardus (which I like) for $59.99 but it says "Sold Out- Backorder-NO. Which I take to mean they are not going to order any more. I like the Pardus because the back of the stock is curved slightly to fit the shoudler and it also has 4 slots in different places on it for a sling.

    Also, how do I know if I need one for a commercial or mil-spec diameter tube? My rifle is an AR-15A2 "Sporter". I'm guessing that's commercial, am I right?
     
  5. jeepcreep927

    jeepcreep927 New Member

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    Current production Colt's are the only ones I know of using a different size tube. Unless specified, aftermarket collapsable stocks are made for commercial diameter tubes.
     
  6. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    I found one I think I'm gonna get, it's made by AR-Stoner and is the standard 6-pos buttstock. It comes with the aluminum extension tube, end plate, stuck nut, buffer and buffer spring. It also has a single point sling mount plate on the side, which usually has to be purchased extra. The price of the buttstock is $54.99 with a little (less than 10 bucks) added for shipping fees. The only down side is that they are currently on back order and are due to recieve them on 12/30 so I don't have to wait all that long.

    Also, I plan on mounting a single point sling on it, which a friend of mine/gunsmith is making for me. He is also helping me change the stock out since he has a stock wrench.
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    On the surface it sounds like a good plan, but why the single point of contact sling out of curiosity?

    JD
     
  8. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    The sling adapter was gonna be my next upgrade, just figured it's a bonus that it's already on this stock. I have a traditional sling for it but I like the single point slings better for the AR.
     
  9. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Fair enough. IF you like the single points, then more power to you.

    However, in the interest of providing info worth reading, you might want to read this report written by former Delta Force Legend Larry Vickers.

    JD
     
  10. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    Thank you JD, that article was a good read. Honostly I've never had a single point sling but I have had traditional slings, and as the article read, I have not found one that wasn't either too short or too long. I am also somewhat of a small (170 lbs), boney guy and when the AR is behind my back, it can be uncomfortable. While at my friends house he showed me some of his AR's, one of which has a single point sling on it (the one that he made and will be making me). I slung the rifle and transitioned from low ready and hanging to the firing position several times and I (in my own humble opinion) thought it was pretty smooth. Of course, I wasn't wearing a tactical vest with lots of snag points on it, but I guess I can try that later. Only time will tell if I like single point slings and since my buddy is making me one, I won't be out any money if I decide I don't like it.

    I do have a question for you JD: Your posted article mentioned 3-point slings, what are they? I understand 2-point slings to basically be traditional slings with a swivel at the front and back but where's the third?
     
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  11. Dillinger

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    I also tried the single point of contact on my first m4forgery, I found it sounded better on paper than it was useful in real world transition.

    I only posted that to add information to the subject from one of the most respected trigger pullers out there.

    As for the three point, essentially it's an additional tie between the to two contact points. Here is an example.

    I don't think the three point is mandatory, but I do, personally, prefer the two point sling combination.

    To each his own, and if it works for you, kudos. I liked the single point sling, ordered both a special attachment and a special sling just to try it out. I went to the range one day, worked from low ready, to firing position to throwing it over my back to "attack in another direction" type of evac and found that I personally didn't like it.

    I was out a couple of hundred bucks, which was something that I can afford as part of a D.I.N.K.s household - but it still was something I wasn't expecting.

    I was merely trying to share some experience that I learned the hard way.

    If you like the single point contact, I am happy for you and hope it is everything that you are looking for/need in a SHTF situation.

    Personally, I like the standard two point with a quick release. It's perfect for everything I personally see myself doing and I can get out of it with one push of a button.

    JD
     
  12. jeepcreep927

    jeepcreep927 New Member

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    I am with JD on the single point. You may want to try one out at the range to make sure yocan do everything you need to with it.

    I attended training with a bunch of SWAT guys and two USAF security guys where there as well. The vast majority had single point slings except me (only because I couldn't afford one at the time) and a few other non SWAT dudes. Anyhow, when it came to firing weak side, guess what? Not happening with a single point. Some of the other positions were damn near impossible with the single point as well since it's strung across the body.

    I found the plain ole' two point cheap nylon sling did all I needed it to.
     
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  13. hillbilly68

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    Yup, along with the JD comments this sums it up. Up to you, but the single point just is too specific an application, no versatility. A good quality sling with a quick release will serve you well. But to each his own. Good luck with the mods!