AR for home defense?

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by fins59, Dec 7, 2011.

  1. fins59

    fins59 New Member

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    My wife is more comfy shooting my neighbor's AR15 than our Mossy 12ga. So I was wondering since she wants one anyway. Would an AR make a doable HD gun or is it overkill? It's just the 2 of us, so no kids to worry bout getting hit by over penetration. And our house is brick so hopefully that'd stop anything else from getting out. Or is this just insane?
    Thoughts?
     
  2. jjfuller1

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    it would def do the job. a carbine with flashlight or something. however its also possible to get small semi auto carbines chambered in pistol calibers and that might be a better way to go. even less of a chance of penetration then. an drecoil is still minimal. just an idea. i would go with what ever is comfortable though be it a smaller shotgun like a 410. or an AR
     

  3. stoppingpower

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    I think ar's have a big scare factor.. that's just me
     
  4. trip286

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    I worry about over penetration, but I live in an apartment with only the outer walls being brick, the rest is all wood. I have people on all sides that I could hit with a stray round.

    In a brick home with no kids, and if the neighbors house isn't within peeing distance, I wouldn't be too concerned. And it's better for her to have one that she's comfortable with and isn't afraid to use.
     
  5. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    Fins,

    There is nothing at all wrong with an AR for home defense giving the parameters you mentioned. Just you and your wife, brick walls and etc. Eliminates a lot of other cautions and limitations of field of fire in your home. There are also rounds available through Hornady called TAP which are ideal for the application. Then myself being an LE and Govt trainer for years. From experience "Ladies" very readily gain proficiency with the AR Rifle system. And I am not talking about Carbine rounds such as the 9mm 40 and others. BOOOO! I mean the 223/5.56 ARs. TAP ammunition is great. The ladys can handle this weapon very well after trained and practice. We would rather them be proficient in both function as well as the ability not to fear shooting it will hurt or bother them, therefore being also very accurate with the weapon. I think it is an excellent idea. And you both would enjoy shooting it! That is if you can get it away from her long enough to shoot it yourself!!! :D
    And before the gang jumps on me I am not against the carbine calibers. I built one for my grandson years ago so he and his dad can shoot it in the inside ranges in the winter time. And not that they are bad defense weapons, but from experience just not my pick.

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  6. ANGRYcanary

    ANGRYcanary New Member

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    There are several guys you might want to P.M. on this one...
    sniper03, therewolf, or dillinger. They are just a few, but a lot of guys will chime in over the next few hours...
    My opinion is HELL YEAH, you can get a good ammo with low flash for most dark situations and they are an awesome weapon for Close Quarter Battle, some of the flash hiders and compensators they have come out with are almost brutally archaic for a weapon on their own. They are, quite simply put, an already proven battle rifle. There are training courses to take for it as well. Some of the guys here can point you in that direction too. Good luck with your decision.

    There's sniper right above me... Hey sir.
     
  7. mjkeat

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    I've been following a similar topic on another forum. What many of the more knowledgeable guys are firm on using an AR for HD and have given good testimony damaging the over penetration myth. In fact I have read that a shotgun in fact can penetrate more than the AR.

    I don't know, never shot sheet rock w/ either. Food for thought though.
     
  8. shnorse

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    only thing i would worry about is the loudness and muzzle blast of an AR... I know when i hunt and fire the AR 5 rounds i get ringing in my ears for hours after shooting... the gun is louder than any shotgun and the muzzle blast with the wrong compensator could blow sheetrock into her face if she was too close to a wall... Everything else about the AR is great, practice,practice, practice.... try shooting accurately a 5 shot quick group without ear protection on and under stress.... i find firing an AR without muffs is a LOT different than with.. my accuracy on follow up shots sucks since i anticipate the hurt of the loudness...

    i recommend a 9mm carbine, i can fire that all day long without ear muffs and i'm VERY accurate with it....

    to each their own, use what works for her..
     
  9. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    SH,

    In reality in a critical situation as mentioned with adrenaline rushing and other factors your audible response of the body shuts down! They would probably be hard pressed to hear or only hear a muffled pop of the report from the rifle. I am not a medical person but I will tell you, that is normally what happens. :)

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  10. jon1992d

    jon1992d New Member

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    I use my olympic arms ar15 for home defence i have a flashlight and laser atachment for it aswell as a bayonet (overkill) and it works just fin pluss i can take it to the range every weekend with the rest of the guns and have fun with it. Or you can do what my neighbor did and get to german shepards and name them AR and AK hehe :)
     
  11. JonM

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    we use a ar for home defense for the same reason you state. my wife doesnt like shotguns. there is a very good study around the net somewhere that blows the myth of 223 over penetrating out of the water. if your super worried use some of those hornady amax rounds they come in normal redtip or the zombie green tip. they pretty much disintegrate on impacting solid objects.
     
  12. AgentTikki

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    55gr fmj is an underpenetrator. It won't penetrate 3 sheets of sheetwall. It travels soo fast it fragments on the first wall, and the second sheet catches most of the fragments. It is super loud tho. A suppressed sbr if lawful in your state is the best tool for that application, in my humble opinion. Unfortunately, in Kommiefornia we are not allowed neither suppressor nor sbr. I live in. Townhouse with a 3 three year old. Overpenetration is a concern for me, so I have electronic ear pro and an ar pistol at the ready.
     
  13. fins59

    fins59 New Member

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    Thanks guys for all the rapid responses.
    So no doubt about it getting through the brick then.
    Guess I could always take some scrap Sheetrock to the range and test it for my self.
    Or brick for that mater. Though that sounds kinda scary to me.
     
  14. ANGRYcanary

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    AgentTikki..."in Kommiefornia" Haha, sounds like Illinois..!
     
  15. mjkeat

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    I'm one of those idiots who used to shoot w/o hearing protection, not anymore.

    I wonder if noise would even be a factor considering the circumstances.
     
  16. AgentTikki

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    Dude you have no idea......everytime I see a sbr or supressor, I just about cream my pants.

    Btw, check out....... the box o truth
     
  17. JonM

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    here ya go The Box O' Truth #14 - Rifles, Shotguns, and Walls - Page 1 these are best case tests which i think is the one we are interested in. everything goes through walls. from the looks of the 223 penetration holes ill stick with the my ar for home defense. exterior walls are much harder to penetrate than plane sheetrock.

    apartment dwellers have a different scenario than home-owners. a single family home has much thicker exterior walls.

    i still wouldnt use birdshot
     
  18. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Best Defense did a home penetration test last season. 223 was one of the best performers. I never expected that.

    IIRC, buckshot and the larger pistol rounds over penetrated the most. Most of the test was the opposite of what I expected.
     
  19. mjkeat

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    Same here.

    Thanks for the link JonM
     
  20. ANGRYcanary

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    Sniper, I believe one of our drill instructors was saying it had something to do with the blood actually rushing through your ears at a heightened rate due to the flow of adrenalin, the blood flow, around your brain, to help protect it (your brain). Don't quote me, it was a few years back but I think that was close to what he said, someone correct me if I'm way off base here...