AR feeding issues?

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing Forum' started by xcoreyyyx, Jul 26, 2012.

  1. xcoreyyyx

    xcoreyyyx New Member

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    My friend just bought an ar and we were running wolf ammo through it today at the range. We had about 6 ftf's in 40 rounds. He was kind of guessing that it was a problem with the buffer tube weight or spring not being powerful enough to get the wolf ammo to clear the bolt and cycle into the chamber. Any ideas or similar issues? Ideas?

    He is currently looking for a new spring and weight if anyone has extras and are willing to trade or purchase.
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Whoa!!

    Don't go spending any money yet, you might have a more simple issue.

    Is this the standard lacquer covered Wolf ammo? Did this happen right away, or after say 20 rounds in rapid succession? Did this happen with more than one magazine? Or were all the rounds fired from the same magazine after the problems started?

    Were these the first ever rounds fired from the weapon? You said your friend just bought an AR, but didn't say if it was new or used.

    Help us, help you...

    JD
     

  3. xcoreyyyx

    xcoreyyyx New Member

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    New custom built by a professional shop with what my friend chose. We fired 100 rounds of brass through it without one problem last week. He ordered the wolf ammo this past week and got it in the mail yesterday. We took it to the range today and this happened. It was with one mag because his 2nd mag was loaded with the good brass for sighting his new scope in. 2 were the first time the mag was loaded, 3 were the 2nd time it was loaded. It didn't seem like it was lacquer covered. I remember it was like a camo colored box and when opened it was all inside of the brown paper. It was all in single shot because we were sighting the scope in. No rapid fire.
     
  4. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    That was wolf ammo. First try another Mag before he sinks any money into it. If it continues take it back to the shop he spent his hard earned money on and make them fix it. What brand of AR is it? How a out lubrication on the bolt? What's he using and is he using plenty of it? ARs don't run great dry.
     
  5. xcoreyyyx

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    The same mag had the brass ammo last week when it fed just fine. It has multiple parts. Couldn't tell you what brands off the top of my head. Paid roughly 1300$ for it. All very fair price for what he got though.
     
  6. Sniper03

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    xcore,

    One thing that comes to mind. If it is a custom built rifle makes me ask what chamber does it have in it 223 Remington or 5.56. He needs to find out and as JD said we can go from there. If the other ammunition worked well in it sure points directly at the Wolf ammunition. Also what Buffer does the custom rifle have! Collapsible Stock? With Standard CAR Buffer, H-1, H-2.
    Need more detailed info on the rifle itself! I think what you meant to say is the Wolf ammunition is not hot enough to operate the weapon by compressing the buffer and buffer spring. When you were referring to the spring weight and so forth. You were thinking in reverse.
    And as they mentioned could be two defective magazines?
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  7. xcoreyyyx

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    The mags didn't seem to be the problem as the brass all cycled through them both properly. No clue what buffer it has. Collapsible stock is a yes. I was just looking around for him really. Yes I was talking about compressing the buffer and whatnot. Since the brass cycled probably we figured it was either the wolf ammo or the buffer wasn't compressing.
     
  8. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Okay, call your buddy and tell him NOT to spend another dollar yet!!!

    You have a "custom built" rifle and you were firing the worst shi*ite ammo out there, so chances are good his gunsmith is going to look at you with a "WTF?" look on his face.

    First things first. He sent 100 rounds of brass downrange without incident. That means the thing was functioning before you introduced the rough ammo (think of the worst rot gut booze you ever drank and the after effects, that is how your buddies' AR is feeling right now ;)).

    He needs to thoroughly clean the chamber, the throat, the BCG and really do a good job. He needs to get in there with an old toothbrush and scrub that thing out like his first set of custom rims.

    From there he needs to take it back to the range with brass rounds and shoot it.

    IF there are problems, only then can he go back to the gunsmith.

    I am betting if he does as described he will find that it functions as designed.

    sniper03 had a very good point about the chamber. I would bet it's probably 5.56 or at least Wylde, but it's something to check into if the 2nd brass shooting goes awry.

    JD
     
  9. xcoreyyyx

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    He was being cheap when he bought the wolf. He knew that it was a bad move before even doing it and I told him even to put the 100$ more and get the brass. He couldn't go wrong with brass. It's his rifle so I couldn't really tell him what to do with it. He just doesn't want to put the money into the reloading press. He will learn eventually.
     
  10. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    First off - WORD!!

    Second, you don't need to reload to shoot this platform in a cost effective basis.

    I bought 500 rounds of bulk ammo from Surplus Ammo and Arms in Lakewood about 3 times in the last 18 months. These guys are at every local gunshow and always have good, to very good, prices. They also ship. ;)

    Tell your buddy to put that crap in the back of the safe and forget about it until he really NEEDS it.

    Have him clean the thing and shoot a few hundred rounds of the good stuff and see how it performs.

    ** Then tell him to take back 98% of the bad things he said about the gunsmith that sold it to him. :cool: **

    JD
     
  11. xcoreyyyx

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    He didn't have anything bad to say about the gunsmith. He really likes the rifle. He just really really regrets buying the cheap cheap stuff. I told him if you just pay the extra few bucks you won't regret anything and you won't be disappointed. I guess for a young white male with no job but shooting every weekend and buying a new rifle, he would take the cheap way out. He knows he doesn't HAVE to reload but if you have the brass, why not just reload them yourself. I told him if he bought the press, I would store it in my shed and even do them at no cost since we always shoot together and we shoot at least once a week.
     
  12. purehavoc

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    Alot of people say wolf and tula is underpowered and crap . Why is it that so many other peoples ARs do not have a problem cycling that crap ammo ? If your life depended on it and thats what you have available you better be able to count on your gun to run that crap because brass may not be available . You have a gun issue not a ammo issue . I will catch alot of flack over this but I have 4 ARs all 4 run steel and brass ammo without any issues besides one bad GI mag I bought new , pitched that POS in the trash and bought the rest in magpul mags and never looked back . I keep my guns very very wet , if it doesnt come spraying outta the ejections port on the first shot its not wet enough . a few friends think I run it to heavy but I DO NOT have issues with my guns . I know of a few people have high end , high dollar guns that wont run steel and they also blame it on the ammo , I load up 20 rds of their crap ammo and it runs fine thru mine , kinda makes them think about their high dollar purchase . Makes me think why spend $1400 on a gun when a $800 gun runs circles around it , this isnt the case with every high end gun so dont take it the wrong way ,
    all companies kick out a POS every once in a while and someone gets on the net and gets a butt hurt out of it and starts bad mouthing a certain brand . It happens !!, you fix it and move on . Maybe mine are over gassed ? I would rather have it that way than undergassed and not run properly . Take it back and have them make it right , if they cant make it right unload it and get something else that will run that ammo . If he wants to unload that ammo have him get ahold of me I will put it to good use . ;)
    All this comes back to which AR is best question ? its the one that is accurate , reliable and runs anything you cram in the chamber .
    I will say it one more time this is a gun issue not a ammo issue
     
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2012
  13. Dillinger

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    That's a hell of a good deal actually. Then again, without a job, the cost of reloading gear and supplies ain't exactly cheap.

    Good luck and keep us informed on the progress.

    JD
     
  14. xcoreyyyx

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    I will let you know if he wants to get rid of it. He was thinking about it.
     
  15. xcoreyyyx

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    I will let you know. Its pretty funny how many people are trying to get rid of their reloading benches in my area. He will surely pick one up soon.