AR Drunk and My Bluegrass Black Rifle

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by WoodysKJ, Mar 7, 2011.

  1. WoodysKJ

    WoodysKJ New Member

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    New to the AR section, but not real new to the FTF forum.

    Well here I go again. A few years back I built a Post Ban Carbine. COOL little shooter but turned it over for a VERY good price. Had about 600.00 in it and had a guy, who could legally own it, offer me double that so I said what the Hell. Not sure WHY he wanted it so bad, and pay that price, but that was 5 or 6 years ago and he hasn't been on the evening news, YET.

    A friend has gotten me back into the AR mood. So I went to a local Gun Show, Louisville, KY btw, and found a VERY nice lower made by Accurate Tool in Lexington, KY.

    The final details of their process resulted in a gorgeous lower that is DEAD ON Mil Spec. Not to mention, Home made. Not sure where they get their castings, or if the are made in house, but the final product was the best I saw there.

    Then found a cute little, and I do mean LITTLE carbine upper assembly (10.5" barrel). Turns out it was too short of a barrel for me to use with out a bunch of additional paperwork that I don't want to apply for. I was a little pissed at the guys at Double Star Corp, from Winchester, KY, for selling it to me.

    I will assume the responsibility for the purchase, but I was there haggling with them. Purchased a Socom collapsible stock and they knew what I was building and NEVER said anything about needing any special paperwork for that barrel.

    I installed on the Lower and OH MY GOD!!!!! the fit was HORRIBLE!!!! Looser than a .50 cent hooker. I could not believe the fit. A PAIR of Accu Wedges would not have helped. Like I said the Lower is DEAD ON Spec. The pivot and take-down holes on the upper calipered at .258" and .259" respectively. I called Double Star, and the sales guy remembered me from the haggling. Said for me to send it back. Said he would spend as much time as needed to find me another M4 Flat Top Upper with a 1 in 9 , 16" barrel with an A2 front sight and flash hider.

    Said they would refund my shipping if I put a copy of the UPS ticket in the box. So far they get an A+ for the customer service on the exchange, but Not sure I should have gone through this step in the first place.

    The new upper should be here today. I can't wait to see how it fits. I have an OLD, VERY used Colt Preban HBar 1 in 7 NATO A1 upper on it now (With the offset bushing in the pivot hole) and it is tighter than a $1,000.00 hooker. Even without the bushing in the pivot hole, the rear take-down pin is VERY snug and aside from the color mismatch, looks and fits like a matched set upper and lower.

    I will try to get some pics of the lower and stock assembly for ya. See Below

    As far as innards on the Lower, went with the standard DPMS lower parts kit, for now.

    I plan a Yankee Hill free float forend and all kinds of other goodies, as the budget allows in the future.
     
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  2. WoodysKJ

    WoodysKJ New Member

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    An update, sort of.....

    Just got an Email from the dude at Double star and they were also VERY surprised as to how loose the upper was on their lowers. They sent their apologies and said that another was in route and due here today.
     

  3. WoodysKJ

    WoodysKJ New Member

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    Some Pics

    Some of my tools acquired over time:
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    I have other tools, like the Mag Block and the Upper Receiver Block, just not in the pic.

    My First acquisition, A Colt SP-1 PD trade off from Las Vegas PD. Got it about 11+ years ago:
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    My Accurate Lower with the A1 Upper:
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    Other trouble I just got into:
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    The Stag Arms lowers were on sale at my local GS for 95.00 each, and was able to get consecutive SE numbers. Had a discovered Armalite Lower kit laying around so I figured, WTF, why not. The reason the don't look the same is when I install lower parts I used Gun oil as they go together. The oil spreads out over the finish so it has been wiped down with a rag after assembly. They were IDENTICAL in the boxes.

    Plans:
    Accurate becomes my "Bluegrass Tactical Black Rifle" With all of the major components at least having ties to the Bluegrass state. Laser/flash light vertical grip from CT on the FF Quad rail over the carbine barrel. Maybe a EcoTech 512 on the flat top.

    One Stag Arms becomes a critter ridder with a 20" or 24" bull barrel and ff hand guard, Comp Trigger, MagPul Stock or a weighted A2 stock, BiPod, Muzzle Break....

    Other Stag Arms becomes a 22 LR plinker cosmetic match to the Other Stag.

    Plans are likely to change, just the current dream.
     
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  4. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    Looks like you have a full schedule for some time to come.
     
  5. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    That sounds like a whole gaggle of projects. Please keep us in the loop.
     
  6. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Woody, you've come down with BRD real bad! :p

    Hope your DS upper comes today and works out well! Definitely let us know how your projects turn out.
     
  7. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

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    I didn't know there were fifty cent hookers. :rolleyes:
     
  8. Quentin

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    Guess the economy just took a turn for the worse! :eek:
     
  9. Sniper03

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    Woody,

    Better hang on to that SP-1 they are the same as collectors today. And as mine I will not change anything on it. Also for educational purposes there are only but a very few foundries that do the forgings for the AR and M-16 rifles. Some of the present manufacturers machine them at their location. But the majority of the companies building ARs under their name are basically just assemblers and get the components and parts from suppliers. That is not saying they do not have a quality product only that they are more susceptible to having parts issues on occasion. Example Continental Machine and Tool machines forgings they purchase from a foundry. And then supply receivers to some 10 different companies. They do good work. I would like to know where all of the junk receivers are coming from like the one in your case and our forum brother who got one from LaRue recently. Obviously they are not checking the product very well before it goes out! I think it is called final inspection??? A well built receiver doesn't need such things a accuracy shims. And ideally you want the take down pin to be good and snug when it is new. Because when it gets several thousand rounds through it the receiver will still have a good fit and you will not be able to see the sun shine through it between the upper and lower. Anyway man hope the new unit gets in today and it is A-OK! And as CA stated looks like you have some busy projects underway!

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  10. WoodysKJ

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    I am sitting here TRYING to get some work accomplished as I wait for the UPS dude.

    The SP-1 I have is the second of a 2 1/2 gun deal I did back 11 years ago or so. I corrected myself, i purchased the SP-1's a longer time ago, Imust be getting old.

    Anyway I found 2 SP-1's and an unmated the A1 upper (along with 20, 30 round preban all metal mags) for just under 2 grand at a time when the guns were easily fetching over 1,300+ each. They were both LVPD trades for when the switched to MP-5's or something like that. Dealer had a small truck load of them.

    The one I still have is in great shape and I will keep it that way, but the one I sold (Yes I sold one, LIKE A FREAKIN' MORON!!!) was practically new. Still had a cosmoline soaked cord in the barrel. looked like it had NEVER been fired. One of those gems that stayed in a Commander's car or never even left the Armory.

    Anyway, I need the cash and got $1,400.00 for it and have regretted it every since.

    Haven't done much with them till recently and it looks like I am diving in head first into the shallow end.

    Now, If I can only find an old A1 lower to mate up with that lonesome A1 Upper.

    Anybody have one laying around?

    As far as the .50 cent hooker is concerned, I know a place in Nashville where you can find a couple. Let's just say they have had a few rounds through them and the rifling is pretty well shot. Kind of like a MG43 barrel at Normandy....LOL

    That should paint a pretty descriptive mental picture.

    Updates coming
     
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  11. mjkeat

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    Someone here mentioned a place that does SP-1 type lower reproductions. If I remember Ill edit this post. Although, I imagine someone will post the places name shortly.
     
  12. WoodysKJ

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    I found them and actually spoke with one of the guys. Great guys and a great help.

    nodakspud home page.htm

    They have some Retro receivers that look like they might come fairly close to matching the finish of my old Upper.

    Problem is, the old receiver uses the larger pivot and take-down holes. Proprietary size for the Commercial Colt AR's These also used a through bolt and lock screw on the pivot, instead of the detent pins seen in current production lowers.

    I am thinking that there is one someplace sitting on some police department's armory sergeants desk holding down memos and crap.

    I will find one in a box of old PD trade in stuff. When PD's trade up on their weapons they will unload the entire armor's parts box along with the used and abused weapons. That is where I will find an older A1 lower to fit my A1 E2 style upper.
     
  13. WoodysKJ

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    Upper is in!!!!!!!

    Well I must say I am VERY impressed with the upper they sent me. I am going to get pics asap of the build so far.

    I have installed the YHM free float carbine sized HG and LOVE it!!!

    Bolt and head space check out good, now time to set the iron sights on it and run a few rounds through it and see how she runs.

    This is gonna be a fun build and project.

    Pics a commin'

    Double Star did right by me on their customer service. A shame I got the other lower in the first place, but they did right by me and that counts for something.
     
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  14. mjkeat

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    Nice that it turned out good for you.
     
  15. Quentin

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    Yes, glad to hear you like the new upper!
     
  16. WoodysKJ

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    I do really like the fit and the finish is good too. A little more glossy that the lower but that will blend as the lower gets oiled and the upper gets heated up from shooting.

    I am Very impressed with the visual and aesthetic aspect of the build so far. Just need to run a few rounds through it and see what it does on paper.

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    The YHM free float HG was a treat to install. Went exactly as described in posts here and the instructions. Got the barrel nut tightened to 30 Ft. Lbs. Used the Gas tube alignment pin to wrestle the barrel nut into position, took about 45 ft lbs to finish that up.

    Then came the tweaking as I tried and tried again to get the rails aligned exactly. I finally got them. Had to back off the barrel nut just a smidge. then get the A2 sight pins back in and the flash hider back on and clocked properly... Done! Ready for paper.
     
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