AR Building information

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by MEK37, Sep 26, 2008.

  1. MEK37

    MEK37 New Member

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    Where can I find out ALOT of information about the AR rifle? After reading these forums I am still not sure what the AR15 is because on google images I see all types of AR varients. Is "AR" the name of the lower reciever or something. This reminds me of the "AK"; there are so many different types that I dont know what makes a AR and an AK what they are. Please help clear this confusion up. Also, I love in CT can I build/own any of these weapons?(semi-auto only)
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    AR stands for Automatic Rifle. Automatic Rifle is a basic term for the feeding mech, which is one shot, one round fired, and one round reloaded for the next unlucky Zombie SOB in your sights.

    I think you will find this site to be very AR friendly - and several threads here are about building AR's from scratch. There are a couple of members who have built their own AR's from scratch, one recent member by the name junho who built one for under $700. Here's his build thread here and it includes a range report.

    My name's Dillinger and I would be happy to help with your build plans.

    bkt is a member of the black rifle club and lives behind enemy lines in New York. I would imagine that his governing rules and yours are pretty close, which will be a benefit.

    matt g is another member who lives in Kali, also behind enemy lines, and has designs on a couple of AR's.

    Both them have resourced places that can provide you with the answers you are looking for.

    If you have any questions - please don't hesitate to ask...

    JD
     

  3. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    EH?! I thought AR was for Armalite, the company that originally manufactured them. Like the AR-7 (a.k.a. Henry Survival Rifle) or the AR-24 9mm pistol.

    On that issue, call a local gun club and ask them what the laws are. Laws can vary depending on what town or city you're in.

    Chances are pretty good you will need to have a muzzle break (not a flash hider) silver-soldered and pinned to the barrel (unless the muzzle is not threaded, in which case you can leave it alone), the bayonet lug must be ground down, grenade launchers are a no-no, and your stock must be fixed, not telescoping. That's what I'm working with here in NY. You may also have laws about hi-capacity (more than 10 rounds) magazines. Ask whether pre-ban rifles are also subject to these limitations. Make sure you are clear that this is NOT a full-auto or burst-fire rifle, but just a plain, ol' civilian semi-auto rifle.
     
  4. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Yeah, that is one of the stories. Armalite first produced Stoner's design and submitted it for testing, but it didn't get picked up by the military, so they sold the design to Colt. SUPPOSEDLY part of that deal was that any Colt produced weapon of this type would be designated with the Colt+AR monicker.

    Colt issued manuals with some weapons that said the Colt Automatic Rifle ( AR ) was this, that and the other thing. Colt marketed the weapon as such for several years.

    Conventional nominclature is pretty much that the AR is for Automatic Rifle - but the traditionalists will say it's for Armalite.

    I wasn't there when it all went down, so I can't say for sure.

    JD
     
  5. MEK37

    MEK37 New Member

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    I plan to make this rifle semi-auto. I have checked with my local gun store and they sell them with telescopeing stocks. All of them have flash suppressors on them too. I am pretty sure that is mandatory in CT (threaded into the barrel? I think). They sell a stripped lower reciever for $109 and complete for about $280 I think should buy the complete lower because this is my first build and I dont think I would be able to read blueprnts and put together all the springs and small stuff that goes onto the trigger assembly. Then I wanted to know if I can get all the other parts online?
     
  6. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Verify from a gun store if the AR-15s they're selling with collapsible stocks are pre-ban or post-ban. That might make all the difference -- it does here in NY.

    Yes, you can buy a completed upper with bolt carrier group online and fit it to your lower.

    Who makes the lower you are considering?
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    That is certainly an option. Truth be told, the trigger and trigger spring, along with the pin, is only three parts. The hammer and hammer spring, along with the retaining pin, is also only three parts. It would take you about ten minutes if you wanted to build one yourself. ;)

    Buying a complete lower is easy, but you don't get to have any input into the parts.

    Plenty of folks here would be happy to help you build your first lower if you wanted to go this route.

    Here is a picture of the trigger and hammer configuration for a drop in Rock River Arms 2-Stage.

    JD
     

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  8. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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  9. jeepcreep927

    jeepcreep927 New Member

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    How do you do a 14" barrel? Fed law is 16". As I understand it, the actual barrel could be 14" with a 2" permanently attached muzzle device.

    Just wondering since I couldn't even begin to comprehend California law. Sanscrit maybe, but not Cali laws...
     
  10. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Yeah, my fingers were running faster than my brain was.

    If you've ever actually taken time to get to know the laws in Cali, you'd see that they're actually quite simple. Once the mass ban was repealed, it is pretty easy to buy or build what you want. There are just a few loopholes that you need to jump though in order to do so. The laws are largely cosmetic, so they're easy to get around.
     
  11. bgeddes

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    MEK, I just built my AR this summer. I had not really seen or shot one for 20 or so years. After shooting one again, it became mandatory that I get one for myself.

    Anywho, building the lower only presented one trouble situation. Getting the breakdown detent pins into place. They make a tool for it, which i did not have, that may make it easier. If you can follow simple directions and have any mechanical skill, building the lower is with in reason. MANY step by step instructions online. If you build your own lower, upgrading the trigger will not be anything you have not previously completed.

    The upper on the other hand will need to be headspaced if you buy it piecemeal. There is a gunsmith in the family and this could have been an option but I chose to buy a complete upper with a lower kit. For simplicity, I'd advise buying a complete upper.

    My build costs were $109 plus local tax for the lower, $420 for the upper and parts to complete my lower. Getting it all together, sans one retention pin, took me an hour or so.

    My AR shoots as well as any I have used in the past, a Colt being my issued weapon for 3+ years.

    If you ask me, the toughest part of building an AR is figuring out what to build, first....
     
  12. jeepcreep927

    jeepcreep927 New Member

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    I wasn't trying to call you out I hope you know. I happen to live in a state where there are no additional restrictions other than federal regs. I see some of the obscure stuff like number of US manufactured parts, folding this or bayonet lug that and it blows my mind. How easy could it be for someone who had no nefarious intent to get jambed up due to a mis- reading or mis- interpretation of a lawyer written law?

    I guess I should consider myself lucky to be able to follow one set of rules.
     
  13. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    It's pretty easy. I could buy a collapsible stock for my post-ban AR, not knowing it would be illegal.

    Also, there is no shortage of range nazis who will tell you "that rifle is illegal" when they don't know what they're talking about. It pays to know the local laws well to be able to refute those folks.

    +1! I wish New York were still part of the United States of America. I hear that country is shrinking, though.
     
  14. RMTactical

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    Maybe you can gather some information from my blog on AR15's.

    http://www.ar15pro.net/

    I am adding new stuff as often as I can, but it's slow going, I wish I had more time.